Brexit process

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 14 Jul 2017, 20:44

John, I vote for Brexit because I consider the medium-long term national security benefits of controlling our borders and making our own laws outweighed any short-term economic disruption caused by the negotiations.

I stand by that decision.

The fact that my own bank will only be modestly be impacted in terms of UK job losses (and there will be further expansion in London anyway) shows that Project Fear was overdone.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 14 Jul 2017, 20:53

We will still have to follow EU rules to export to the EU, we just won't set them.

The country is to big to act like Singapore.

Cameron had managed to get the benefits rules substantially changed which was the big migration issue anyway (not that the debate was about this)

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 14 Jul 2017, 22:37

johnhemming2 wrote: Cameron had managed to get the benefits rules substantially changed which was the big migration issue anyway

No it wasn't. Affects on wages, housing and public services was the big migration issue. "Benefit tourism" was a sideshow.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 14 Jul 2017, 22:40

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/pol ... al-brexit/

EU citizens could be deported from Britain in a â€œno dealâ€� scenario, according to the small print of the Governmentâ€™s Brexit repeal bill. If this law is passed it will allow the UK total power to â€œmodify, limit or removeâ€� the rights given to EU nationals under British law. This scenario, laid out in the â€œexplanatory notesâ€� to the repeal bill, would come to pass if the UK and the EU cannot reach a deal on citizensâ€™ rights.

Bring it on.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 14 Jul 2017, 23:13

The NHS is full of people from other EU countries. As in, they're doing the actual work. If you never get ill then I can understand your point of view

Plus there are people who have married Brits and are now being threatened with being deported. That's just fecking ugly and shouldn't happen no matter what the Brexit situation ends up as.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 14 Jul 2017, 23:26

RenewableCandy wrote:The NHS is full of people from other EU countries. As in, they're doing the actual work. If you never get ill then I can understand your point of view

Exceptions could be made for people doing a job where no British people are available to do it.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 14 Jul 2017, 23:29

Depends what you call "available". The number of nurses being trained has fallen off a cliff since HMG is now no longer providing bursaries.

Plus I just don't think people should be messed about once their here, especially if they're actually working.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 14 Jul 2017, 23:38

RenewableCandy wrote:Depends what you call "available". The number of nurses being trained has fallen off a cliff since HMG is now no longer providing bursaries.

Plus I just don't think people should be messed about once their here, especially if they're actually working.

Agreed. A red herring, May has already promised that EU citizens will be allowed to stay in the UK with some form of settled status post-Brexit.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 14 Jul 2017, 23:41

Possibly. But at present, according to someone I know, this process involves filling in an 85 page form.

Which they did, and were then informed the process had been revised and they had to fill in a different one...

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 15 Jul 2017, 00:11

Lord Beria3 wrote:
RenewableCandy wrote:Depends what you call "available". The number of nurses being trained has fallen off a cliff since HMG is now no longer providing bursaries.

Plus I just don't think people should be messed about once their here, especially if they're actually working.
Agreed. A red herring, May has already promised that EU citizens will be allowed to stay in the UK with some form of settled status post-Brexit.

No she hasn't. She's made that as an offer, and the EU have claimed it isn't good enough. If the negotiations break down, there is no reason why that offer should remain on the table.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 15 Jul 2017, 09:15

We would unilaterally offer that status in the event of a no deal because it is in the UKs best interests.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 15 Jul 2017, 11:33

Game changer if true:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40615119

Some EU leaders may be prepared to be flexible on the free movement of people to help Britain stay in the single market, Tony Blair has said.

He told the Today programme one option was for Britain "staying within a reformed EU".

The ex-PM said he would not disclose conversations he had had in Europe but that he was not speaking "on a whim".

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 15 Jul 2017, 13:36

If we've got the wind up the surrender monkeys, let's get rid of the CAP [no chance], the HGV [complete with spanish double fuel tanks so that they don't pay any UK fuel tax to destroy our roads with 44 tonnes], the EMC regs, let's have leaded solder + cadmium back in our landfill. An end to the Eire/Luxembourg/Netherlands tax scam [DODGY TAX AVOIDERS etc], 'British' produce [the stuff that comes imported via Ireland then ends up 'British'], carousel tax fraud, multinational cost/profit transfers, the immigration scam that says a UK employee needs a passport and a full birth certificate to get a job whereas all an immigrant needs is arrival papers, and end to jobs that are arranged from the EU and never offered to brits. An end to the criminal records proof that penalises UK employees while you can have the Yemeni Jimmy Saville who claims to be a rocket surgeon, taking NHS jobs, an end to EU workers arriving for agency work, signing up for baby farming benefits then going home 2 weeks later and drawing the benefits back home.

Need I go on??

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 18 Jul 2017, 11:58

UndercoverElephant wrote:Game changer if true:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40615119

Some EU leaders may be prepared to be flexible on the free movement of people to help Britain stay in the single market, Tony Blair has said.

He told the Today programme one option was for Britain "staying within a reformed EU".

The ex-PM said he would not disclose conversations he had had in Europe but that he was not speaking "on a whim".

I wish that man would just go away.

There again, so do others.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 18 Jul 2017, 22:36

emordnilap wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:Game changer if true:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40615119

Some EU leaders may be prepared to be flexible on the free movement of people to help Britain stay in the single market, Tony Blair has said.

He told the Today programme one option was for Britain "staying within a reformed EU".

The ex-PM said he would not disclose conversations he had had in Europe but that he was not speaking "on a whim".
I wish that man would just go away.

Something tells me that like Murdoch and Mugabe, Blair may well be around for much longer than almost anybody wants him to be.