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Post by Snail »

I think the problem is that Trump is giving speeches as if he's just talking to his best mate. His casual way of speaking has made it easy to twist the meaning, and create another anti-trump meme.
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Post by boisdevie »

Trump expresses distrust of the mainstream media. So do a big big chunk of the American public. In fact Trump is trusted more than the media so he's not going to get damaged by expressing his distrust of the media.
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The cliché of the month is that the Republican Party is like the dog who caught the bus, and doesn’t know what to do with it. As one observer remarked, it may be even worse than this: the dog is now driving the bus.
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They are also now noticing the difficulty of repealing Obamacare. A lot of people benefit from it.
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johnhemming2 wrote:They are also now noticing the difficulty of repealing Obamacare. A lot of people benefit from it.
More particularly, a lot of trump voters benefit from it.
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Post by johnhemming2 »

Trump has now confirmed that I was right:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39023978

This is a good example of the media bias towards a good story. There is actually no story in him referring to a tv programme about Sweden even if the programme itself was wrong. However, there is a story about him referring to an incident in Sweden and because most people don't go back to source they simply assume that he was referring to a non-existent terrorist incident.

There is a lot of this sort of bias towards the best story that goes on. There isn't much that can be done about it, but it should be recognised that it is quite common. Another example is when Jeremy Paxman asked Michael Howard the same question 12 times:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/historyofthebbc/me ... man-howard
In the context of Howard’s Conservative leadership ambitions and over the course of an eight-minute interview, Paxman posed the same question 12 times without a satisfactory answer. The refrain of ‘Did you threaten to overrule him’ subsequently came to denote a high watermark in the style of persistent, robust, but cordial interviewing technique pioneered by Robin Day and others 40 year earlier.
Howard'a answer, of course, was that he did not have the power to over rule the head of the prisons service. It is clear that had he had the power he would have done so (otherwise why find out whether you have it or not).

It, however, became a big story for many years mainly because of its futility.
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The trump travel ban was supposed to save lives, the trump approach to gun laws indicates that saving lives is not as important as all citizens being able to get their hands on guns

One of .the stories
In the wake of the Virginia Tech massacre, Republican President George W. Bush signed the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 to ensure individuals who are deemed unqualified to possess guns due to mental health or other reasons could be easily identified through NICS. A Virginia court had ruled the Virginia Tech killer a danger to himself, but the state hadn’t submitted his case to NICS before he was able to buy firearms and fatally shoot 32 people in April 2007.


From here
At the left hand sitteth National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre, whose $30 million donation to the Trump campaign bought him [Wayne LaPierre] a seat next to the throne.
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johnhemming2 wrote:Trump has now confirmed that I was right:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39023978

This is a good example of the media bias towards a good story. There is actually no story in him referring to a tv programme about Sweden even if the programme itself was wrong. However, there is a story about him referring to an incident in Sweden and because most people don't go back to source they simply assume that he was referring to a non-existent terrorist incident.

There is a lot of this sort of bias towards the best story that goes on. There isn't much that can be done about it, but it should be recognised that it is quite common. Another example is when Jeremy Paxman asked Michael Howard the same question 12 times:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/historyofthebbc/me ... man-howard
In the context of Howard’s Conservative leadership ambitions and over the course of an eight-minute interview, Paxman posed the same question 12 times without a satisfactory answer. The refrain of ‘Did you threaten to overrule him’ subsequently came to denote a high watermark in the style of persistent, robust, but cordial interviewing technique pioneered by Robin Day and others 40 year earlier.
Howard'a answer, of course, was that he did not have the power to over rule the head of the prisons service. It is clear that had he had the power he would have done so (otherwise why find out whether you have it or not).

It, however, became a big story for many years mainly because of its futility.
Perhaps Trump was aware of the ongoing week of incidents, petrol bombs, cars torched and tooled up police response:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-2 ... ish-suburb
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Post by johnhemming2 »

The zerohedge story is also a misrepresentation.
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kleptocracies and dictatorships don’t usually appear overnight; they creep up on you gradually.
Trump once again showing his rightwards/authoritarianwards aims
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Dictatorships very often appear overnight.
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Post by fuzzy »

UndercoverElephant wrote:Dictatorships very often appear overnight.
When the CIA are involved.
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Perhaps you could explain how the CIA are involved with the overnight appearance of a dictator.
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woodburner wrote:Perhaps you could explain how the CIA are involved with the overnight appearance of a dictator.
Do you know any post WW2 history? Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador, Vietnam, Cuba ( that one didn't go as planned), The Shaw of Iran etc. etc.
Perhaps you don't as much of that has been left out of the USA written history books but to think that the USA using the CIA has been the good neighbor they pretend to be instead of agents of corporate America looking for profits requires some really thick and dark rose colored glasses.
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You are a man of surprises VT
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