USA presidential elections 2016

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 02 Dec 2016, 00:38

Little John wrote:
Lord Beria3 wrote:http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/ ... y.html?m=1

Greers latest. A must read...
Yes. Excellent

My he is long winded!

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 02 Dec 2016, 09:46

vtsnowedin wrote:
emordnilap wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: You might want to read this.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ ... -king-cuba
Thanks, I enjoy a good laugh. Really vt, do some research!
Show me your counter evidence.

The article is hearsay, ergo there is no evidence in it to counter. It's up to you or the author(s) to provide evidence. Your man obviously has a huge grudge and has spotted a way of making some cash. Which claims are evidence-based?

No-one ever claimed Castro was perfect; he was a dictator and in a privileged position; it'd be a doddle to manufacture every one of Sánchez's claims. But Fidel over Batista any day. Or Obama, if you're living virtually anywhere in the Middle East. Or Trump. Or Blair. Or Bush. Or...gosh, this list is going to be long.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 02 Dec 2016, 11:33

emordnilap wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
emordnilap wrote: Thanks, I enjoy a good laugh. Really vt, do some research!
Show me your counter evidence.
The article is hearsay, ergo there is no evidence in it to counter. It's up to you or the author(s) to provide evidence. Your man obviously has a huge grudge and has spotted a way of making some cash. Which claims are evidence-based?

No-one ever claimed Castro was perfect; he was a dictator and in a privileged position; it'd be a doddle to manufacture every one of Sánchez's claims. But Fidel over Batista any day. Or Obama, if you're living virtually anywhere in the Middle East. Or Trump. Or Blair. Or Bush. Or...gosh, this list is going to be long.

The author of the book was present so it is not hearsay.
You might find this annoying.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... cf72f2f31e

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 02 Dec 2016, 11:55

It is evidence-free.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 02 Dec 2016, 12:49

emordnilap wrote:It is evidence-free.

Which one?

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 02 Dec 2016, 13:30

emordnilap wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: You might want to read this.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ ... -king-cuba
Thanks, I enjoy a good laugh. Really vt, do some research!

Doing some of that research you suggested I came across this.
http://bestcubaguide.com/cuba-poor-country-salary/
Probably written with a censor looking over his shoulder it starts with the public figure of $20US a month average salary and immediately begins fudging those figures to get to an hourly wage of 12 to 15 cents per hour. Problem solved!
Then he goes on about all the free services and subsidized utilities. His example of a combined utility bill of $2 per month which he says would be nothing in the USA. But wait a minute $2 is ten percent of your salary which would compare to a $300 bill for an American making $16.67 an hour. Some subsidy that is.
When he gets all done proving his case he sums it up with this gem.

There are less comforts and fewer high end products (no large screen TVs or deluxe computers), but overall, Cubans are far better off than some of the poor African countries where people starve to death daily.

Not starving is not exactly the good life.
Per Capita GDP in Cuba is about $7500 a year depending on who's figures you use. If the average worker gets $240 for himself and one dependent where did the other $14,760 go? Castro's bank account possibly?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 02 Dec 2016, 14:05

No. It went on ensuring that Cuba has more doctors per capita than just about another Western country, in ensuring that literacy and numeracy rates and child mortality rates make their nearest neighbour (which has done its utmost to destroy this living example what can be achieved collectively) look like a third world shithole (or, at least, for a large swathe of the country.... you know.... those ones who decided they had finally had enough and Voted for Trump) by comparison.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 02 Dec 2016, 14:07

Meanwhile V, whilst it is very nice of you to inform us how long winded that article is, it would be even nicer if you actually addressed the points made by Greer.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 02 Dec 2016, 14:34

Little John wrote:Meanwhile V, whilst it is very nice of you to inform us how long winded that article is, it would be even nicer if you actually addressed the points made by Greer.

You know by the time a got to his end i had already forgotten his beginning. A day later I can't recall a single point he clearly made.
Pick a point and paraphrase it and we can discuss it.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 02 Dec 2016, 14:39

Little John wrote:No. It went on ensuring that Cuba has more doctors per capita than just about another Western country, in ensuring that literacy and numeracy rates and child mortality rates make their nearest neighbour (which has done its utmost to destroy this living example what can be achieved collectively) look like a third world shithole (or, at least, for a large swathe of the country.... you know.... those ones who decided they had finally had enough and Voted for Trump) by comparison.

They have more doctors but there hospitals are under equipped and short on modern capabilities. The proof of that is when Fidel feel sick they flew in specialists from Spain.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 02 Dec 2016, 15:01

And we know why their hospitals are underequipped don't we V. And yet, still they manage to have better mortality rates throughout life than the USA and many other "advanced" capitalist countries. Funny that.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 02 Dec 2016, 16:47

Little John wrote:And we know why their hospitals are underequipped don't we V. And yet, still they manage to have better mortality rates throughout life than the USA and many other "advanced" capitalist countries. Funny that.

Yes being underfed dose have positive effects on heart disease and diabetes rates.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 02 Dec 2016, 19:18

Isn't it more a case of not being overfed, rather than describing it as underfed?

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 02 Dec 2016, 21:10

woodburner wrote:Isn't it more a case of not being overfed, rather than describing it as underfed?

Perhaps but something about the government deciding how much I have to eat or feed my children just rubs me the wrong way.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 02 Dec 2016, 22:15

Yeah V...Those damned Cuban commies....