USA presidential elections 2016

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 22 Nov 2016, 17:18

UndercoverElephant wrote:...It is TTIP that I'm most interested in. Surely he's going to pull out of that too?

If the EU and Canada sign CETA they won't give a damn about TTIP because all the corporations have got subsidiaries in Canada through which they can sue the EU. And it's the EU that will get sued because regulation is stronger there than anywhere else.

Lurkalot · Post by **Lurkalot** » 22 Nov 2016, 18:24

vtsnowedin wrote: As to Trumps effect on the market the press is reporting his every move to form an administration and fill all the top job slots. Apparently the line of people being considered has given those watching some hope.

I think that's the thing that makes me wonder. There has been a lot of talk about Trump's attitude to the "establishment" but on the other hand there now seems a lot of optimism .

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 22 Nov 2016, 21:10

Who knows. The President has in many ways less power than the UK Prime Minister. That is because the UK Prime Minister generally controls at least the House of Commons whereas the President does not.

It remains to be seen what actually happens, however.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 23 Nov 2016, 12:28

For your amusement.

https://www.facebook.com/TheKeithAvila/ ... 238867400/

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 23 Nov 2016, 21:14

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1534809214 ... s-populism

This post is definitely for all the Trump-haters out there.

I see that Trump has now recognized man-made climate change. One more sign that he is a smart, pragmatic and flexible politician who adapts, like a businessman, to the facts and figures.

Trump played to the base and now he is moving to the centre.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 23 Nov 2016, 21:36

Trump is intelligent. He is also prepared to say absolutely anything to get himself elected. He is a blatant and unashamed liar, who clearly has an agenda, but he has quite deliberately kept his true motives hidden by lying to the point that it is impossible to know when he is telling the truth.

What he believes in is Donald Trump. He really does not care about the environment, or the coal industry, or middle America or anybody or anything except money and power and his immediate family.

What he says on climate change is irrelevant. Cutting funding for climate research by $2B a year speaks louder than any words.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 23 Nov 2016, 22:12

PS_RalphW wrote:Trump is intelligent. He is also prepared to say absolutely anything to get himself elected.

Actually I am not sure that is true. I think when he initially ran for the Republican nomination he didn't believe he had much chance of winning and he was saying what he actually believed, because he believed this would raise his profile and be in his long term business/financial interest.

He is a blatant and unashamed liar, who clearly has an agenda, but he has quite deliberately kept his true motives hidden by lying to the point that it is impossible to know when he is telling the truth.

I don't see this at all.

What he believes in is Donald Trump. He really does not care about the environment, or the coal industry, or middle America or anybody or anything except money and power and his immediate family.

I think he is a genuine patriot. I think he honestly wants to make America great again, and thinks he knows how to do it.

What he says on climate change is irrelevant. Cutting funding for climate research by $2B a year speaks louder than any words.

He doesn't believe climate change is real. EDIT: oh, looks like he has changed his mind... I am getting the impression he has not, until now, given it very much serious thought.

However, I very much doubt that anything he does, or doesn't do, is going to make much difference to the long-term outcome for the climate, compared to what would have happened if Clinton had won. Either the industial world will wean itself off fossil fuels before climate change and other environmental degradation causes the industrial world to start shrinking and collapsing, or it won't. And I think we both know that regardless of who won that election, the answer is that it won't. If a Trump victory makes any difference at all, if means that the shrinking and collapse will come sooner than otherwise.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 24 Nov 2016, 00:10

A man who enjoys the way his wealth and influence allows him to grope women and walk into Miss Teen USA changing rooms unchallenged - a man who considers "ordinary" people to be playthings.

A man who will make families homeless to chase a dollar.

A man who describes voters as dumb.

A man who said whatever he thought would appeal to the voters selfishness and paranoia to get elected.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 24 Nov 2016, 01:04

Catweazle wrote:
A man who describes voters as dumb.

When did he do this?

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 24 Nov 2016, 03:39

When he said that if he ever ran for President he would run as a Republican because Republican voters are the dumbest.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 24 Nov 2016, 06:23

kenneal - lagger wrote:When he said that if he ever ran for President he would run as a Republican because Republican voters are the dumbest.

I quite certain that was a fake quote.

an example of the post truth politics the Left uses these days.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 24 Nov 2016, 06:26

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/10/polit ... book-trnd/

There you go... from the CNN itself!

Come on Trumphobes, surely you can do better than that!

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 24 Nov 2016, 06:57

Catweazle wrote:A man who enjoys the way his wealth and influence allows him to grope women and walk into Miss Teen USA changing rooms unchallenged - a man who considers "ordinary" people to be playthings.

A man who will make families homeless to chase a dollar.

A man who said whatever he thought would appeal to the voters selfishness and paranoia to get elected.

It appears that these are right.

I also unusually agree with UE. I think he is basically a bit thick and selfish, but has used bullying techniques to get where he is. I encounter people like this in business from time to time and try to avoid them.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 24 Nov 2016, 08:29

Disagree that he is thick. Behind that blustering persona (which lets be honest can be very unlikeable at times) is a smart, savvy and intuitive businessman and political entrepreneur.

Trump deliberately used un-PC and provocative language during the primaries to show Republican voters that he wasn't the usual "stiff" of the political elite. He also raised issues that had long been ignored by the elites - mainly the mass illegal immigration into America which was crushing the real wages of ordinary low-income Americans.

Trump also made clear his contempt for a deeply corrupt political system in hock to special financial interests. Trump made clear that the system was gamed and only he had the balls to say it as it was rather than preaching the usual bullshit and platitudes.

When he told Jeb Bush at one of the Republican debates that his brother lied about WMD to get into Iraq, I cheered. Why? For once, somebody told the f***ing Bush's to their face what a bunch of liars they are.

I can put aside the many flaws of Donald Trump and what he may have done or said in the past, purely on that basis alone. He showed up the Washington system for what it was - a pile of manure.

He also has some good ideas on reforming things. But tbh, the main reason I am glad he is President Elect and not Hilary Clinton is that he hasn't demonized the one man in the world who can destroy civilization - Vladimir Putin. I can sleep at night knowing that the risks of WW3 have been greatly reduced thanks to the election of Trump on 8 November 2016.

JFK is a liberal hero, but in many ways he was a deeply flawed man. He hid from the American public the truth about his physical and medical problems, his Dad helped the Dems steal the 1960 election via vote rigging through his mafia connections, the guy was an obsessive skirt chaser who systemically pursued beautiful woman for his lust and pleasure but nobody brings that up.

Liberals can put aside these flaws (if they recognize them at all!) because JFK saved the world during the Cuban missile crisis and the clear greatness of a president tragically killed in 1963.

I see Trump in a similar light. If he delivers on his promises (enforcing border security, restoring relations with Russia, stabilising the Middle East and bringing back jobs and industry to America's heartlands and its long suffering working classes) than he will be considered by history in a similar light to JFK. A great president.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 24 Nov 2016, 09:08

Lord Beria3 wrote:....tbh, the main reason I am glad he is President Elect and not Hilary Clinton is that he hasn't demonized the one man in the world who can destroy civilization - Vladimir Putin. I can sleep at night knowing that the risks of WW3 have been greatly reduced thanks to the election of Trump on 8 November 2016....

This