USA presidential elections 2016

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 20 Nov 2016, 20:16

Little John wrote:Why Trump won and the implications for Brexit:

http://www.labourfuture.org.uk/why_trump_won

I haven;t read all of this. it seems to recognize the failure of the "moderate" political establishment. but, I have not read enough to know if it understands the underlying ecological drivers. My guess is not. but, I would appreciate others' take on it.

Why do folk write such long winded articles? Thankfully my internet connection is so slow I couldn't flick through it so I gave up! I see the Trump has appointed a 3 star general who reminds me of general Ripper in Dr Stangelove...... we all know how that ended.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 21 Nov 2016, 17:45

They write long articles because they get paid by the word.

Lurkalot · Post by **Lurkalot** » 21 Nov 2016, 17:46

I had an interesting answer to a question this week. In the course of work I tend to accumulate an amount of metal scrap which I periodically take to the scrap yard. This time it was just iron and steel and I received a decent price for it but asked how prices on non ferrous metals were going. The reply was that prices were "flying" and he added that since Trump's election he has seen metal prices steadily rise. I don't know if that is purely coincidental, especially as he isn't even in power and hasn't been able to do anything but make promises so far but I mentioned this on another forum and replies there were that his election victory has certainly had a positive effect on the American economy. True or should I just make hay and take the rest of my scrap now?

raspberry-blower · Post by **raspberry-blower** » 21 Nov 2016, 20:57

Interesting article over at The Automatic Earth that discusses what could well be in store for Trump's Presidency:

TAE: Obstacles to Trump's Growth Plans

Alastair Crooke wrote: That’s Trump’s ostensible great wish, (it seems). It is not an unworthy one, but things have changed: America is no longer what it was in the Nineteenth or Twentieth centuries, neither in terms of untapped natural resources, nor societally. And nor is the rest of the world the same either.

Mr. Trump rather unfortunately may find that his chief task will not be the management of this Great Re-orientation, but more prosaically, fending off the headwinds which he will face as he hauls on the tiller of the economy.

In short, there is a real prospect that his ambitious economic “remake” may well be prematurely punctured by financial crisis.

These headwinds will not be of his making, and for the main part, they lie beyond human agency per se. They are structural, and they are multiple. They represent the accumulation of an earlier monetary doctrine which will fetter the President-elect into a small corner from which any chosen exit will carry adverse implications

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 21 Nov 2016, 22:29

Lurkalot wrote: I mentioned this on another forum and replies there were that his election victory has certainly had a positive effect on the American economy. True or should I just make hay and take the rest of my scrap now?

Scrap metal keeps well if you have a bit of space to store it. You could make your best guess on when the market will peak and sell it then!

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 22 Nov 2016, 00:07

Trump pulls the plug on TTP!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38059623

Trump: US to quit TPP trade deal on first day in office

Hallefrickinglujah.

How long until he is assassinated?

Lurkalot · Post by **Lurkalot** » 22 Nov 2016, 08:20

vtsnowedin wrote:
Lurkalot wrote: I mentioned this on another forum and replies there were that his election victory has certainly had a positive effect on the American economy. True or should I just make hay and take the rest of my scrap now?
Scrap metal keeps well if you have a bit of space to store it. You could make your best guess on when the market will peak and sell it then!

Yes , the scrap and it's price is incidental really , it could have referred to baked beans or timber. My main focus was the remark that the election itself has been a boost to your economy . Has he really had an effect , ihave you noticed the economy improving ? As I say I mentioned this on another forum and was told by a US citizen that since the election the stock market is on the way up and housing starts are up by 25% . As Trump hasn't even been inaugurated yet so can't have any direct influence I personally think it says more about those that control stock and commodity markets than it does about politicians .
I suppose the question in my mind is , going back to the scrap , do I sell it while the markets are in a state of optimism thinking they might fall back once Trump takes the reins if he starts to struggle to live up to his promises . But then he may do well and prices will continue to climb. Still as you say easy to store and to be honest not the end of the world if I don't sell it at the highest price.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 22 Nov 2016, 09:54

UndercoverElephant wrote:Trump pulls the plug on TTP!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38059623

Trump: US to quit TPP trade deal on first day in office
Hallefrickinglujah

Hear hear. Shame he's not throwing NAFTA after it. Or CETA for that matter - despite it being a Canada/EU plot, there are thousands of American companies have offices in Canada specifically to take advantage of it.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 22 Nov 2016, 09:57

emordnilap wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:Trump pulls the plug on TTP!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38059623

Trump: US to quit TPP trade deal on first day in office
Hallefrickinglujah
Hear hear. Shame he's not throwing NAFTA after it. Or CETA for that matter - despite it being a Canada/EU plot, there are thousands of American companies have offices in Canada specifically to take advantage of it.

It is TTIP that I'm most interested in. Surely he's going to pull out of that too?

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 22 Nov 2016, 10:31

Lurkalot wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Lurkalot wrote: I mentioned this on another forum and replies there were that his election victory has certainly had a positive effect on the American economy. True or should I just make hay and take the rest of my scrap now?
Scrap metal keeps well if you have a bit of space to store it. You could make your best guess on when the market will peak and sell it then!
Yes , the scrap and it's price is incidental really , it could have referred to baked beans or timber. My main focus was the remark that the election itself has been a boost to your economy . Has he really had an effect , ihave you noticed the economy improving ? As I say I mentioned this on another forum and was told by a US citizen that since the election the stock market is on the way up and housing starts are up by 25% . As Trump hasn't even been inaugurated yet so can't have any direct influence I personally think it says more about those that control stock and commodity markets than it does about politicians .
I suppose the question in my mind is , going back to the scrap , do I sell it while the markets are in a state of optimism thinking they might fall back once Trump takes the reins if he starts to struggle to live up to his promises . But then he may do well and prices will continue to climb. Still as you say easy to store and to be honest not the end of the world if I don't sell it at the highest price.

Well stock markets are always looking to the next quarterly report. The American stock markets all hit new records yesterday so here is some optimism working there. As you can afford to play the game I'd hang on to your scrap and accumulate as much as I could as long as the prices continue on a upward trend then sell as soon as you detect the trend changing downward.
As to Trumps effect on the market the press is reporting his every move to form an administration and fill all the top job slots. Apparently the line of people being considered has given those watching some hope.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 22 Nov 2016, 10:40

UndercoverElephant wrote:
emordnilap wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:Trump pulls the plug on TTP!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38059623
Hallefrickinglujah
Hear hear. Shame he's not throwing NAFTA after it. Or CETA for that matter - despite it being a Canada/EU plot, there are thousands of American companies have offices in Canada specifically to take advantage of it.
It is TTIP that I'm most interested in. Surely he's going to pull out of that too?

Is TTIP going ahead anyway? I know CETA is but TTIP looks doomed from this side, let alone Trump's. It's 'on hold', at the very least.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 22 Nov 2016, 12:56

emordnilap wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
emordnilap wrote: Hear hear. Shame he's not throwing NAFTA after it. Or CETA for that matter - despite it being a Canada/EU plot, there are thousands of American companies have offices in Canada specifically to take advantage of it.
It is TTIP that I'm most interested in. Surely he's going to pull out of that too?
Is TTIP going ahead anyway? I know CETA is but TTIP looks doomed from this side, let alone Trump's. It's 'on hold', at the very least.

Still needs somebody or something to put it out of its misery.

Facebook is strangely muted on this. I know a lot of people who have spent years campaigning against TTP and TTIP, yet the morning Donald Trump announces the US is going to torpedo them, and I post "Trump kills TTP!!" to facebook, the response is a deafening silence. Could it be because nearly all of those people have spent the last week wailing about the end of the world because Trump won, and because they know perfectly well that Clinton would have signed TTP, and that therefore a Trump victory, and only a Trump victory could have delivered this result? I think so.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 22 Nov 2016, 13:21

I think so too

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 22 Nov 2016, 13:22

As I talk to people around me, the penny is finally starting to drop.

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 22 Nov 2016, 17:00

https://youtu.be/N1KvgtEnABY