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Post by RenewableCandy »

It's crystal night anniversary :(

9/11/38...

But I'm almost not surprised: the Archdruid's 'politics of resentment' post explained it best, and called it at the top of the year!

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.co.u ... tment.html

ps: from Beeb news page:

"Canada's immigration website crashed as Trump wins continued to mount."
Soyez réaliste. Demandez l'impossible.
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Oo-err, missus, 9/11, crikey. :wink:
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Ding Dong the witch is dead... the witch is dead .... the witch is dead .. the witch is dead.
Ding dong the wicked witch is d...e..a..d!
:)
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I remind people about the Menie golf course abuse story whenever they suggest trump will be good for (.......insert whatever drivel comes to mind here...........)

That so many people voted for him, though the margin was tiny, they still talk of a landslide victory, shows that people don't learn much from history. Chamberlain returned from a meeting with hitler saying the bigoted bully was no threat to peace in Europe. Something is happening again.............
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yes, something is happening. But, clearly wood burner, you and people like you will never get what that is. Which is sad. I feel sorry for you.

You seem to be still clinging to the laughable notion that Clinton and all she represented was somehow a better and safer option for the American working class or indeed, the world when the evidence is absolutely and incontrovertibly to the contrary.

It hardly needs stating that Trump is a misogynistic, bigoted, snake-oil salesman. However, he also wants to enact a Grand-Reset of the relationship with Russia and so put the brakes on a renewed cold war (growing hotter by the day). Furthermore, he is a political isolationist who has publicly stated he is against any significant further military adventurism in the Middle East and beyond. Or, at least, unless there is a direct and immediate threat to the US.

Clinton, on the other hand, whilst professing to be a social progressive, has simultaneously been at the center of a political establishment that has stripped the American working class of their dignity, their security and their hope for the future. Meanwhile, she has had a direct hand in pretty much every disastrous military adventure in the Middle east for the last decade. On top of all of that, she is at the centre of a vast web of political and financial corruption.

What the Yanks electorate have done is to not elect a warmongering politician who has been no friend of the blue collar working class and is corrupt on a grand scale. Granted, that has been on the back of voting in a boorish salesman. But, it was Hobson's choice and they made their choice.

But oh no...... people like you STILL insist is must be down to the fact they are all bigoted morons in much the same way as people like you insist the Brexit vote was on the back of half the UK being bigoted morons.

For the record, I think Trump is likely to not be able to follow through on many of his promises to the poor and the dispossessed and that will fuel God know what levels of anger come the election next time around. But, what I am saying is this was inevitable. Not because America is full of morons (though it has to be admitted that they are one of the least well educated 1st world populations). But, because at around half of the American people are desperate and who feel they have nothing left to lose by voting for Trump, even if that means risking burning the house down.
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Little John , Great post with a lot I strongly agree with.
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Post by Catweazle »

Looks like LB, UE and LJ nailed it.

Worth remembering I think.
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Post by Little John »

To paraphrase the Druid:

Maybe now - finally - the smug, self-satisfied, well-to-do Liberal Progressives who have hitherto, irony of ironies, politically aligned themselves with the global corporate-capitalist class, will stop looking admiringly in the mirror at their own resplendent reflections long enough to see the anger in the faces of the mob that is growing all around them.

Maybe.....but I doubt it.
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vtsnowedin wrote:Ding Dong the witch is dead... the witch is dead .... the witch is dead .. the witch is dead.
Ding dong the wicked witch is d...e..a..d!
:)
Actually she's still alive, but globalism is dead.
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UndercoverElephant wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:Ding Dong the witch is dead... the witch is dead .... the witch is dead .. the witch is dead.
Ding dong the wicked witch is d...e..a..d!
:)
Actually she's still alive, but globalism is dead.
Of course she is still alive. I was speaking of her political career but would have had to rewrite the song to get that specific.
She can go back to Chappaqua and retire to a life of spoiling the grand kids and keeping track of Bill for all I care, just as long as she is not nominating Supreme court justices or paying political debts owed to Clinton foundation donators.
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Little John wrote:Calls for Trump to pardon Assange:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/730 ... ction-2016
Interesting idea but I doubt an American President can pardon a non US citizen for a crime allegedly committed in another sovereign country.
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I am not talking about the alleged incident in Sweden. I am referring to the leaks of US papers.
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Post by PS_RalphW »

Trump won't pardon anybody.

He is a populist. But he is still firmly a member of the 0.001% since birth. He has been systematically tapping in to lower income resentment but he is not remotely interested in making the world a better place for anybody other than Donald Trump and his immediate family.

He is more likely to send in a hit squad to put an anti tank shell through the Ecuadorian front window.

I give it two years max before the violence on the streets exceeds anything we have seen in a century.
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So it is Trump+1 and I wake up to headlines of "Anti-Trump protests sweep US cities: burning effigies and chants of 'he's not my President'".

It really is Brexit all over again. These are the direct US equivalent of the Remainers who can't accept the result of the referendum.
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