USA presidential elections 2016

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Peter Lavelle - host of the political debate programme Crosstalk on RT - on the US elections:

Peter Lavelle: A Question of Legitimacy and Insurrection
Peter Lavelle wrote: Indeed the polls are tightening and this presidential race is peculiar to say the least. But the insurrection element of the election cycle remains in play. Millions of voters feel cheated, alienated, and disenfranchised. The political system does not work for them – remember millions of them are out of work or have subsistence employment.

Trump is a complex and even tragic figure. But he does feel the pulse of the nation. He and his backers feel the legitimate rage experienced all across the country. The same rage that has made Bill, Hillary, and their selfish cronies fabulously rich and powerful. As such, many deem some form of insurrection now legitimate, even necessary.

There is a crisis of legitimacy in American politics. If Trump is elected the status quo elites will attempt to undermine his elected right to rule. If Clinton is elected, the entire issue of rule of law and equal treatment under the law will be disputed. In the end everyone loses – the American people and the world. Though I have no doubt the meme of insurrection will continue unabated.
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http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-preside ... dashboard/

Trump surging again in LA times poll... over 5% lead over Clinton.

in poll of polls, Clinton with a tiny advantage of Trump going into the election, within the margin of error.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article57088.html

As Nadeem notes, Trump is most likely to win this election.
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This is probably the most exhaustive source of information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwid ... tion,_2016
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FBI now says Hillary isn't guilty. :?

Why reopen the investigation last month and then clear her with 2 days to go? Its like its been managed to ensure the election is closer or something.

Hmmm, I'll be staying up and watching it anyway.
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I was surprised to find most US polling stations (it varies from state to state) close at 7 or 8pm local time. Barely time to get home from work surely?
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cubes wrote:I was surprised to find most US polling stations (it varies from state to state) close at 7 or 8pm local time. Barely time to get home from work surely?
Anyone that can't make it in time can have already voted absentee just like a soldier overseas and many states have had days of early voting. 40,000,000 odd votes already in the boxes. Most of them cast by real living citizens registered to vote.
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vtsnowedin wrote: Most of them cast by real living citizens registered to vote.
Is this voter fraud issue a real thing then and not just a republican plot to deny some people (mainly democrats) their right to vote?
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Trump, Clinton, whoever you're rooting for - lying is mandatory.

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careful_eugene wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: Most of them cast by real living citizens registered to vote.
Is this voter fraud issue a real thing then and not just a republican plot to deny some people (mainly democrats) their right to vote?
Yes it is a real thing and one has to be totally nave to think that the Democrat inner city precincts which are run by union bosses connected to organized crime give stuffing a ballot box a second thought.
I don't think there is enough of it to actually turn many elections but in close years it might and they are pretty sure the 1960 election of JFK was decided by a cemetery in Chicago.
On the ethical behavior side of it Chris Mathews from MSNBC has been crowing about attending the Dem's Philadelphia organization meeting this week where they passed out the block money. These wise guys get some $200 each to spend election day "Getting out the vote" Where they will go to every door on their block and "remind "people to vote. then check down at the polling place to see who has voted and go back and "Remind" them again and even a third " Reminder" late in the day.
All these face to face visits from a local thug might give a voter the impression that something bad might "Happin" to them if they don't vote the right way and they might imply that the party has access to how they voted.
Why this is legal and allowed is beyond me but it will and always has turned out about a half million Democratic votes in the city which is enough to turn the state for the Democrats even though the rest of the state is heavily Republican with the exception of inner city Pittsburgh.
Is this election going to be rigged? It already has. If it were not rigged it would be Bernie Sanders on that side of the ticket.
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vtsnowedin wrote:.....Is this election going to be rigged? It already has. If it were not rigged it would be Bernie Sanders on that side of the ticket.
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Meanwhile, in matters relevant to this Board......

'Trump threat' to dominate UN climate negotiations:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37888317

Earlier this year Mr Trump said he would "cancel" the Paris agreement if elected. The deal was "bad for US business" and would allow "foreign bureaucrats control over how much energy we use", he said. Concern over the rise of Mr Trump helped galvanise the global push to bring the Paris agreement into force. Now that it is operational and binding on countries, taking the US out of the deal would not be easy.

"The Paris agreement prohibits any exit for a period of three years, plus a year-long notice period, so there will be four stable years," said Segolene Royal, the French environment minister who played a role in negotiating the treaty. While Mr Trump would not be able to withdraw easily from Paris, his scepticism about climate science and his determination to revive the coal industry put him at odds with most international leaders.

Etc......
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careful_eugene wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: Most of them cast by real living citizens registered to vote.
Is this voter fraud issue a real thing then and not just a republican plot to deny some people (mainly democrats) their right to vote?
Voter fraud is common in many places. It is normally difficult to work out how common because the controls tend not to exist to see whether it is happening or not. Absentee ballots are particularly difficult to deal with.

In the past in Birmingham (ie in 2004) 4,000 people's votes in one ward (of an electorate of around 18,000) were stolen in one election (which was 16,000 votes because they had three votes).
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johnhemming2 wrote:
careful_eugene wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: Most of them cast by real living citizens registered to vote.
Is this voter fraud issue a real thing then and not just a republican plot to deny some people (mainly democrats) their right to vote?
Voter fraud is common in many places. It is normally difficult to work out how common because the controls tend not to exist to see whether it is happening or not. Absentee ballots are particularly difficult to deal with.

In the past in Birmingham (ie in 2004) 4,000 people's votes in one ward (of an electorate of around 18,000) were stolen in one election (which was 16,000 votes because they had three votes).
AHH John? 4000*3=12,000 not 16,000 :wink:
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Sorry I missed a bit out. Three votes in the local elections and one vote in the European Elections which means 16,000 votes.
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johnhemming2 wrote:Sorry I missed a bit out. Three votes in the local elections and one vote in the European Elections which means 16,000 votes.
Carry on!
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