Is it really hard to fathom why many people despise the US?

fifthcolumn · Post by **fifthcolumn** » 16 Sep 2016, 07:01

PS_RalphW wrote:I found my self in the middle of a pro -EU march in Cambridge a couple of weeks ago. No guns, no police, just hundreds of people waving flags and being friendly.

Good for you but I'd say that my point whizzed right over your head.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 16 Sep 2016, 07:53

I thought you wuld think that. Racist attacks on, and murders of Eastern Europeans are , unfortunately, rising rapidly.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 16 Sep 2016, 10:38

fifthcolumn wrote: Can you even speak out in public against the conquering saracen hordes without being jailed?

America has plenty of flaws but the rights are far more solid.

You can't be black in the US without risking death from the police. Rights?

fifthcolumn · Post by **fifthcolumn** » 17 Sep 2016, 04:39

woodburner wrote:
fifthcolumn wrote: Can you even speak out in public against the conquering saracen hordes without being jailed?

America has plenty of flaws but the rights are far more solid.
You can't be black in the US without risking death from the police. Rights?

Yes that is indeed the slanted viewpoint you get in your socialist media.

fifthcolumn · Post by **fifthcolumn** » 17 Sep 2016, 04:41

PS_RalphW wrote:I thought you wuld think that. Racist attacks on, and murders of Eastern Europeans are , unfortunately, rising rapidly.

So says the socialist propaganda parroted by the media. Exactly what Putin wants them to say because it plays into his plan to excuse his actions as a fight against the "rise of the far right".

The "far right" is a marxist figment of the imagination.

You can label yourself as "left" all you like but that doesn't *allow* you to label others as you see fit.

PS Ralph: When I say "you" I mean "one". Except that being from oop north I would never say "one can, one would etc".

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 17 Sep 2016, 15:42

fifthcolumn wrote:
woodburner wrote:
fifthcolumn wrote: Can you even speak out in public against the conquering saracen hordes without being jailed?

America has plenty of flaws but the rights are far more solid.
You can't be black in the US without risking death from the police. Rights?
Yes that is indeed the slanted viewpoint you get in your socialist media.

Why should we believe you, any more than other slanted reports?

fifthcolumn · Post by **fifthcolumn** » 18 Sep 2016, 05:19

woodburner wrote:
Why should we believe you, any more than other slanted reports?

I'm not sure you speak for everyone so "we" is misplaced. Unless you believe you're royal.

Second, I live here.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 20 Sep 2016, 06:18

I presume you wrote for everyone reading your post, so "we" is appropriate. There are two possibilities, the readers believe you or the readers don't believe you. I doubt I am the only one who suspects your claim. I think your pedantry over semantics confirms my doubt about your claim.

Just because you live in a place does not make you automatically correct in your belief. There are publications that agree with your point and others that take an opposing view. Which one is the "slanted" view?

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 22 Sep 2018, 16:51

While the Pentagon spends billions of tax dollars on drones, students struggle with mounting debt, children go hungry, and the nation suffers from stagnant wages and a lack of universal healthcare. Boeing, General Atomics, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, and other war corporations do not care. They are busy developing, marketing, and selling weapons of war to the Pentagon and allies worldwide. These same corporations fund think tanks, bribe U.S. Congress with campaign contributions, and lobby Capitol Hill daily in order to sustain endless war. Drone sales over the summer monthsâ€”totaling over $3.5 billionâ€”show how profitable this racket really is.

Source

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 23 Sep 2018, 02:34

With the cost of a new soldier boots on ground in a combat zone north of $100,000 and $350,000 for a LT. Peachfuzz to lead them ,not to mention the loss to their families if they get killed or severely injured I have no problem with the amounts they are spending on drones and infantry robots. After all if Robbie the robot machine gunner takes point and runs over a mine and gets FOBARed the Captain does not have to write a condolence letter to his Mom and Dad. Some REMF back at base dose have to send a letter to Raytheon ordering replacement parts or a whole new unit but that doesn't upset the workers there one bit.

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 23 Sep 2018, 11:04

Meanwhile the debt keeps piling up for all the gizmos, and the blood keeps flowing out.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 23 Sep 2018, 12:06

vtsnowedin wrote:With the cost of a new soldier boots on ground in a combat zone north of $100,000 and $350,000 for a LT. Peachfuzz to lead them ,not to mention the loss to their families if they get killed or severely injured I have no problem with the amounts they are spending on drones and infantry robots. After all if Robbie the robot machine gunner takes point and runs over a mine and gets FOBARed the Captain does not have to write a condolence letter to his Mom and Dad. Some REMF back at base dose have to send a letter to Raytheon ordering replacement parts or a whole new unit but that doesn't upset the workers there one bit.

...or why the USA will never 'win' a war.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 23 Sep 2018, 13:41

emordnilap wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:With the cost of a new soldier boots on ground in a combat zone north of $100,000 and $350,000 for a LT. Peachfuzz to lead them ,not to mention the loss to their families if they get killed or severely injured I have no problem with the amounts they are spending on drones and infantry robots. After all if Robbie the robot machine gunner takes point and runs over a mine and gets FOBARed the Captain does not have to write a condolence letter to his Mom and Dad. Some REMF back at base dose have to send a letter to Raytheon ordering replacement parts or a whole new unit but that doesn't upset the workers there one bit.
...or why the USA will never 'win' a war.

Well the USA has won several over the years but to your point winning a war (or police action or whatever label they put on it)today to the point that the Army can pack their gear and head home leaving no troops behind is probably past for the USA or anybody else for that matter.
Nothing short of genocide will keep survivors from regrouping and rising up again after a few years or decades. It would be nice to find a cheaper way to maintain stability but as we have found you can't force Democracy onto people that still think tribally or with a religions zealotry.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 23 Sep 2018, 13:46

vtsnowedin wrote:
emordnilap wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:With the cost of a new soldier boots on ground in a combat zone north of $100,000 and $350,000 for a LT. Peachfuzz to lead them ,not to mention the loss to their families if they get killed or severely injured I have no problem with the amounts they are spending on drones and infantry robots. After all if Robbie the robot machine gunner takes point and runs over a mine and gets FOBARed the Captain does not have to write a condolence letter to his Mom and Dad. Some REMF back at base dose have to send a letter to Raytheon ordering replacement parts or a whole new unit but that doesn't upset the workers there one bit.
...or why the USA will never 'win' a war.
Well the USA has won several over the years but to your point winning a war (or police action or whatever label they put on it)today to the point that the Army can pack their gear and head home leaving no troops behind is probably past for the USA or anybody else for that matter.
Nothing short of genocide will keep survivors from regrouping and rising up again after a few years or decades. It would be nice to find a cheaper way to maintain stability but as we have found you can't force Democracy onto people that still think tribally or with a religions zealotry.

It's more to do with 'winning' a war (packing up, going home, leaving the country 'stable') is not profitable.

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 23 Sep 2018, 14:09

The main reason the US and UK are at a massive disadvantage to win any war [that is not total destruction], is that a large number of places we choose to attack speak English widely, while we hardly ever know theirs. It's called the baywatch dillema.