USA presidential elections 2016

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 30 Aug 2016, 21:06

I think there is limited access to FT articles more generally. I have a free account with them which I think gives 5 articles a month or something like that.

However, it may be that if you don't want to go through the effort of giving them an email address that works that you cannot get access to any of their articles.

That, however, is up to them.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 04 Sep 2016, 17:57

True to form, dishonourable trump doesn't pay suppliers.

One of the 10 who were unpaid, Michael Caputo, told a Buffalo radio station in June after he resigned from the campaign, that he was not volunteering. Rather, he said he just had not gotten paid. Caputo confirmed to Reuters on Thursday that the Trump campaign has still not paid his invoices.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 08 Sep 2016, 08:37

Trump just edging ahead of Clinton in latest polls

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 08 Sep 2016, 08:57

And here is a reasonably good analysis, in terms of Trump's electoral strategy, as to why

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/06/trump-mi ... ntary.html

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 08 Sep 2016, 09:31

Little John wrote:Trump just edging ahead of Clinton in latest polls

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwid ... tion,_2016

He was ahead in one Poll. Singular.

It really does help to get facts right. I am surprised you are not embarrassed by the unreliability of the factual statements that you make.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 08 Sep 2016, 10:01

Get your facts straight Mr Hemming. The polls in your link go to July 31st 2106.The poll I have cited was taken days ago by CCN and is the latest one as far as I am aware. Polls go up and down over time, of course. The point being, however, by this latest poll, Trump's numbers have pretty much recovered form the lows of the early summer.

Post by **clv101** » 08 Sep 2016, 10:46

Little John wrote:Trump just edging ahead of Clinton in latest polls

That 'latest poll' is no longer the latest and was an outlier:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... .html?_r=0

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 08 Sep 2016, 10:47

Little John wrote:Get your facts straight Mr Hemming. The polls in your link go to July 31st 2106.The poll I have cited was taken days ago by CCN and is the latest one as far as I am aware. Polls go up and down over time, of course. The point being, however, by this latest poll, Trump's numbers have pretty much recovered form the lows of the early summer.

We haven't got to 2106 yet, even so we know polls are notoriously unreliable more than a few days ahead, and not even then in some cases.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 08 Sep 2016, 11:47

woodburner wrote: We haven't got to 2106 yet, .

Perhaps you have not,but most of the rest of us got to 2016 nine months and eight days ago.

careful_eugene · Post by **careful_eugene** » 08 Sep 2016, 11:55

vtsnowedin wrote:
woodburner wrote: We haven't got to 2106 yet, .
Perhaps you have not,but most of the rest of us got to 2016 nine months and eight days ago.

You might want to re-read the date.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 08 Sep 2016, 12:54

Little John wrote:Get your facts straight Mr Hemming. The polls in your link go to July 31st 2106.The poll I have cited was taken days ago by CCN and is the latest one as far as I am aware. Polls go up and down over time, of course. The point being, however, by this latest poll, Trump's numbers have pretty much recovered form the lows of the early summer.

I am not sure how you manage to read something that I put a link to and still get things wrong.

Here is the link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwid ... tion,_2016

Here is an unstructured copy of the most recent 5 polls
Since convention nominations[edit]
Poll source Date Hillary Clinton
Democratic Donald Trump
Republican Leading
by % Sample
size Margin
of error
USC/Los Angeles Times[1][a] September 1–7, 2016 44% 43% 1 2,500 ± 4.5%
YouGov/Economist[5] September 4–6, 2016 44% 42% 2 1,077 ± 4.7%
Ipsos/Reuters[6] September 1–5, 2016 40% 38% 2 1,084 ± 3.5%
UPI/CVoter[7] August 30 – September 5, 2016 48% 46% 2 1,220 ± 3.0%
CNN/ORC[8] September 1–4, 2016 48% 49% 1 786 ± 3.5%

You will note in this that it includes September 1-7 (as the most recent poll). It also includes the poll you refer to and later polls.

It is probably the most exhaustive source of information on opinion polls. These wikipedia pages tend to exist for all political contests and are a good source of information.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 08 Sep 2016, 13:32

clv101 wrote:
Little John wrote:Trump just edging ahead of Clinton in latest polls
That 'latest poll' is no longer the latest and was an outlier:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... .html?_r=0

That's headline figure labels itself as a polling average. Always a favorite to use by a side that thinks it may be losing ground. Nonetheless, I am aware there is slight movement in the other direction as well (see post below). The point still being that Trump has clearly regained ground since the early summer.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 08 Sep 2016, 13:35

johnhemming2 wrote:...
You will note in this that it includes September 1-7 (as the most recent poll). It also includes the poll you refer to and later polls.

It is probably the most exhaustive source of information on opinion polls. These wikipedia pages tend to exist for all political contests and are a good source of information.

Yes, I do accept that those very latest two or three shpow a slight movement on the other direction. The point still standing, give or take two or three points between them, Trump has clearly recovered ground since the early summer.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 08 Sep 2016, 16:05

vtsnowedin wrote:
woodburner wrote: We haven't got to 2106 yet, .
Perhaps you have not,but most of the rest of us got to 2016 nine months and eight days ago.

We have a frequent television here with the punchline "should have gone to Specsavers".

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 08 Sep 2016, 16:39

Little John wrote:
johnhemming2 wrote:...
You will note in this that it includes September 1-7 (as the most recent poll). It also includes the poll you refer to and later polls.

It is probably the most exhaustive source of information on opinion polls. These wikipedia pages tend to exist for all political contests and are a good source of information.
Yes, I do accept that those very latest two or three shpow a slight movement on the other direction. The point still standing, give or take two or three points between them, Trump has clearly recovered ground since the early summer.

Not a conclusion I would draw. He has been in front of the minority of the polls from time to time including the early summer.