Little John wrote:The Huffington Post is just about the most egregious example of an Establishment Shill publication that exists at this moment. EVERYTHING that is put out by this establishment propaganda peddling organization should be judged as utter bullshit unless it can be unambiguously proven otherwise. And I say all of that irrespective of any particular thing they may have written about Trump
I totally agree with you about the Huffington post. Fox news makes a good balance to them as they are as far right as Huffinton is left.
The other cable and broadcast networks also have a strong bias very much to the left. Sometimes they are more subtle about it by choosing what stories to run or more often not run. If a Republican politician gets indited it will run at the top of the hour , every hour and if a Democrat gets indited for the same crime it will run by on the bottom snail just before a commercial once or twice.
They are all pounding on Trump this weekend, his poll numbers and staff shake ups. They balance it with a whole lot of silence about the Hillary campaign.
Little John wrote:The Huffington Post is just about the most egregious example of an Establishment Shill publication that exists at this moment. EVERYTHING that is put out by this establishment propaganda peddling organization should be judged as utter bullshit unless it can be unambiguously proven otherwise. And I say all of that irrespective of any particular thing they may have written about Trump
I totally agree with you about the Huffington post. Fox news makes a good balance to them as they are as far right as Huffinton is left.
The other cable and broadcast networks also have a strong bias very much to the left. Sometimes they are more subtle about it by choosing what stories to run or more often not run. If a Republican politician gets indited it will run at the top of the hour , every hour and if a Democrat gets indited for the same crime it will run by on the bottom snail just before a commercial once or twice.
They are all pounding on Trump this weekend, his poll numbers and staff shake ups. They balance it with a whole lot of silence about the Hillary campaign.
The Huffington Post is no more "Left" than the Fox network is "Right". They are both simply on the side of the 1% and against the rest of us. The only difference between them is one uses the language of social conservatism and one uses the language of social liberalism. But, these are mere ruses to disguise the fact that they both serve the same masters. The terms "Left" and "Right" are increasingly redundant. There is just a tiny minority of insanely rich bastards who have bought up the Western political class and the Western mainstream media
Little John wrote:The Huffington Post is no more "Left" than the Fox network is "Right". They are both simply on the side of the 1% and against the rest of us. The only difference between them is one uses the language of social conservatism and one uses the language of social liberalism. But, these are mere ruses to disguise the fact that they both serve the same masters. The terms "Left" and "Right" are increasingly redundant. There is just a tiny minority of insanely rich bastards who have bought up the Western political class and the Western mainstream media
and then there is the rest of us.
While I agree about the level of arrogance by both sides in the political class I can't agree that there is little difference between left and right.
The solutions they put forward to the countries problems are far apart and therein lies the difference.
Little John wrote:The Huffington Post is no more "Left" than the Fox network is "Right". They are both simply on the side of the 1% and against the rest of us. The only difference between them is one uses the language of social conservatism and one uses the language of social liberalism. But, these are mere ruses to disguise the fact that they both serve the same masters. The terms "Left" and "Right" are increasingly redundant. There is just a tiny minority of insanely rich bastards who have bought up the Western political class and the Western mainstream media
and then there is the rest of us.
While I agree about the level of arrogance by both sides in the political class I can't agree that there is little difference between left and right.
The solutions they put forward to the countries problems are far apart and therein lies the difference.
Who, in your mainstream political class, are you defining as "Left" and "Right"?
Little John wrote:The Huffington Post is no more "Left" than the Fox network is "Right". They are both simply on the side of the 1% and against the rest of us. The only difference between them is one uses the language of social conservatism and one uses the language of social liberalism. But, these are mere ruses to disguise the fact that they both serve the same masters. The terms "Left" and "Right" are increasingly redundant. There is just a tiny minority of insanely rich bastards who have bought up the Western political class and the Western mainstream media
and then there is the rest of us.
While I agree about the level of arrogance by both sides in the political class I can't agree that there is little difference between left and right.
The solutions they put forward to the countries problems are far apart and therein lies the difference.
Who, in your mainstream political class, are you defining as "Left" and "Right"?
In America?
On the left Berni Sanders and all the Democratic members of the congress. Hillary not so much as she is just a bribe collecting organization.
On the right Newt Gingrich and about half of the Republican members of congress. Excluding the "moderates like Susan Collins from Maine and the far far right religious nut jobs of the TEA party.
I realize the UK definitions don't apply but that is what I have to vote for or against.
They are all version of capitalism. Even Sanders. I am bound to conclude you don;t understand what socialism actually means. I am not trying to be antagonistic here. But, I don't think you do due to your political field of view being so circumscribed by your cultural upbringing.
Little John wrote:They are all version of capitalism. Even Sanders. I am bound to conclude you don;t understand what socialism actually means. I am not trying to be antagonistic here. But, I don't think you do due to your political field of view being so circumscribed by your cultural upbringing.
Bernie never saw a problem that just one more government program wouldn't solve and has never counted the cost of those programs against the proposed benefits. He pretty well defines socialism in the USA and would not be out of place anywhere in the EU.
Capitalism is an economic system, not a political one.
Little John wrote:
.......Capitalism is an economic system, not a political one.
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Now I know you don't understand what socialism or capitalism is. I am sorry, but you have been brainwashed VT. I also know you will never be capable of acknowledging that. But, there it is.
Little John wrote:
.......Capitalism is an economic system, not a political one.
Now I know you don't understand what socialism or capitalism is. I am sorry, but you have been brainwashed VT. I also know you will never be capable of acknowledging that. But, there it is.
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It appears that it is a close contest as to who's brain has been through the most spin cycles.
To get back to John's assertion.
Capitalism is the acknowledgment of human nature, both human greed and the intelligence to consider a future reward for present effort or risk taking.
Socialism is the denial of human nature and assumes everyone will give their best effort for an equal share of the resulting resources. In reality it results in low and unequal effort and unequal shares.
In short Capitalism works and socialism does not.
Left/ Liberal / Democratic USA politicians believe in socialism as much as their contributors will let them and keep trying to foist it on the American people.
Right /Conservative/ Republicans understand how capitalism works and leave it alone and even protect it from confiscatory levels of taxation. Unfortunately they too are corrupted by their contributors so there are no saints in this church.
Capitalism may arguably have worked up to now, but it relies on continual growth, and an unrealistic belief that some technological fix will be found for the problems we are heading towards. In reality, there is no possible fix any time soon.
To become an extremist, hang around with people you agree with. Cass Sunstein
vtsnowedin wrote:To get back to John's assertion.
Capitalism is the acknowledgment of human nature, both human greed and the intelligence to consider a future reward for present effort or risk taking.
Socialism is the denial of human nature and assumes everyone will give their best effort for an equal share of the resulting resources. In reality it results in low and unequal effort and unequal shares.
In short Capitalism works and socialism does not.
Left/ Liberal / Democratic USA politicians believe in socialism as much as their contributors will let them and keep trying to foist it on the American people.
Right /Conservative/ Republicans understand how capitalism works and leave it alone and even protect it from confiscatory levels of taxation. Unfortunately they too are corrupted by their contributors so there are no saints in this church.
So, socialism fails due to human nature. But, capitalism also fails due to human nature. Seeing the problem with your "capitalism is the natural cultural expression of human nature" argument yet VT?
woodburner wrote:Capitalism may arguably have worked up to now, but it relies on continual growth, and an unrealistic belief that some technological fix will be found for the problems we are heading towards. In reality, there is no possible fix any time soon.
I know I'm pretty much alone in this but I think the idea that capitalism requires continual growth is false. It maybe that growth is required when the population is growing which has always been the case through historic times but that is concurrent conditions ,and cause and effect.
Do you need more Christmas presents this year then you had last? Why can't the stores selling those presents to your loved ones be content with last years sales?
The problems we are heading toward will be solved just as every problem we have faced has been solved before. But it must be recognized that solutions have not always come up in the nick of time like crude oil replacing whale oil.
Many of the problems that have beset us have endured for decades and more then once the population has declined in response of harsh conditions.
The solution to not having enough energy to support seven billion people may well prove to be a reduction of the population down to two to three billion.
