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Excluded from joining the party perhaps, but they do receive a thinly veiled message of thanks for their vote in many local elections.johnhemming2 wrote:4 isn't right. They do exclude ex members of the National Socialist parties.
Amen to that!johnhemming2 wrote:All parties have some racists. The BNP are a racist party. UKIP are a party with (more) racists. Not all UKIP members are racist, however. Nor are all their elected representatives. Farage plays the tribal card in a way which can be divisive. I don't think he is as bad as Trump, however.
"Nigel Farage’s “breaking point” posters were morally indefensible. Those Syrian refugees fleeing war had nothing to do with Britain’s borders. Far from winning support for Vote Leave, that poster handed the remain campaigners, keen to cast aspersions on the leave sides values and motives, ammunition. It cost us votes."
It just gets better folks!Germany rules out informal Brexit talks before article 50 is triggered
Decision deals major blow to leave campaign leaders, who show no sign of wanting to launch formal proceedings
Looks like this has been put to the test:PS_RalphW wrote:
Of course, there is little or nothing to stop non-eligible people voting in the poll, and I am sure that it is fairly easy to defeat any attempt at preventing fraudulent multiple votes, but the raw numbers are still overwhelming.
Moon of Alabama: The Imminent Dodging of Brexit - A Gift for the Fascist RightThe second meme pushed is the "success" of some petition for a #ReverseBrexit vote someone set up on the UK parliament website. It now has more than a million "signatures". That is a lot in a short time frame. But wait, any dog on the Internet can "sign" that petition provided it has some throw-away email address. I, a German in Germany, "signed" to test the procedure. It took me about 30 seconds.
This propaganda campaign will not have any tangible success, but it sets a certain atmosphere which then will be used to stall the exit process.
raspberry-blower wrote:Looks like this has been put to the test:PS_RalphW wrote:
Of course, there is little or nothing to stop non-eligible people voting in the poll, and I am sure that it is fairly easy to defeat any attempt at preventing fraudulent multiple votes, but the raw numbers are still overwhelming.
Moon of Alabama: The Imminent Dodging of Brexit - A Gift for the Fascist RightThe second meme pushed is the "success" of some petition for a #ReverseBrexit vote someone set up on the UK parliament website. It now has more than a million "signatures". That is a lot in a short time frame. But wait, any dog on the Internet can "sign" that petition provided it has some throw-away email address. I, a German in Germany, "signed" to test the procedure. It took me about 30 seconds.
This propaganda campaign will not have any tangible success, but it sets a certain atmosphere which then will be used to stall the exit process.
My greatest fear in this whole sorry saga.The aborted Brexit will also give further impetus to the hard-rightwing parties currently cropping up in several European countries. These parties ostensibly cater to the "small people" who feel unrepresented and on the economic losing side. But the economic programs of these parties are anti-social and would only further inequality. They (ab-)use the grievance of the poor and middle class to gain even more power for the rich.
What is missing in Europe are leftwing parties that take the romantic longing for local nationalism - in opposition to bone-crushing globalization - seriously and merge it with socialist policies. The social-democrats once had that role but under Blair, Schroeder and Hollande they waft away into the anti-nationalism, neo-liberal globalization sphere. Nationalism has, for them, become a dirty word. This at the time as nationalism gains new popularity as the anchor for common people lost in the sea of neo-liberal arbitrariness.
The space left empty by them will be filled by fascism.
Thanks for that. I think I'll move to Oxford West or South Cambridgeshire.PS_RalphW wrote:One simple check on the validity of the petition votes is to look at the
geographical distribution of the registered postcodes
http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.co ... ion=131215
This is almost exactly the same distribution as the referendum Remain votes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028
So, random vote stuffing on any scale is unlikely. Does not prevent organised fraud of course.
It’s not over yet. A law that passed last year to set up the EU referendum said nothing about the result being binding or having any legal force. “Sovereignty” – a much misunderstood word in the campaign – resides in Britain with the “Queen in parliament”, that is with MPs alone who can make or break laws and peers who can block them. Before Brexit can be triggered, parliament must repeal the 1972 European Communities Act by which it voted to take us into the European Union – and MPs have every right, and indeed a duty if they think it best for Britain, to vote to stay.
The global order is dying. But it’s an illusion to think Britain can survive without the EU
What a pile of crap. Britain "can't survive without the EU"? What does the author think is going to happen to Britain if we leave the EU? The Isle of Wight sinks into the sea, Scotland disappears beneath a river of volcanic lava and England gets eaten by space monsters?3rdRock wrote:And this from someone I know you all respect - Paul Mason:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... omic-model
The global order is dying. But it’s an illusion to think Britain can survive without the EU
