EU membership referendum debate thread

3rdRock · Post by **3rdRock** » 25 Jun 2016, 20:41

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See.

Wake up FFS! The far right are on the move throughout Europe and it'll be the poor, sick and disaffected who, as usual, will wind up paying the ultimate price.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 25 Jun 2016, 20:43

woodburner wrote:
3rdRock wrote:
PS_RalphW wrote:Government petition site has a petition to re-run the referendum on the (spurious) grounds that the result was too narrow to be decisive.

It has 1.85 Million signatures in just 1 day - more than double previous record and at one point the site crashed due to demand.

48% of the population are really pissed off.
In May, Nigel Farage, reptile that he is, insisted that if the result favoured remaining in the EU by a 52 to 48% margin, he would consider it to be 'unfinished business' and demand a second referendum.

I wonder if he still feels the same?

Wake up! What are you waiting for? Sign the petition. Now!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
There is no need for you, (who appears to be one of the disgruntled remain voters), to make such childish remarks about someone you disagree with. Makes your argument worthless. Maybe you think perpetual growth is realistic, if so you will be disappointed.

3rdRock / Shortfall is like a jack in a box. Pops up, males a bit of noise, them goes away when he gets bored. Ie he / it is a troll.

3rdRock · Post by **3rdRock** » 25 Jun 2016, 20:47

AutomaticEarth wrote:
woodburner wrote:
3rdRock wrote: In May, Nigel Farage, reptile that he is, insisted that if the result favoured remaining in the EU by a 52 to 48% margin, he would consider it to be 'unfinished business' and demand a second referendum.

I wonder if he still feels the same?

Wake up! What are you waiting for? Sign the petition. Now!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
There is no need for you, (who appears to be one of the disgruntled remain voters), to make such childish remarks about someone you disagree with. Makes your argument worthless. Maybe you think perpetual growth is realistic, if so you will be disappointed.
3rdRock / Shortfall is like a jack in a box. Pops up, males a bit of noise, them goes away when he gets bored. Ie he / it is a troll.

Which group do you belong to? The ill-educated or the terminally bewildered?

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 25 Jun 2016, 20:47

3rdRock wrote: There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See.

Wake up FFS! The far right are on the move throughout Europe and it'll be the poor, sick and disaffected who, as usual, will wind up paying the ultimate price.

You are on the wrong site buddy. Please go to the many conspiracy sites out and carry on there......

The far right are going nowhere. The centre right, hopefully, are on the move. ....at least I hope so

3rdRock · Post by **3rdRock** » 25 Jun 2016, 20:49

AutomaticEarth wrote:
3rdRock wrote: There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See.

Wake up FFS! The far right are on the move throughout Europe and it'll be the poor, sick and disaffected who, as usual, will wind up paying the ultimate price.
You are on the wrong site buddy. Please go to the many conspiracy sites out and carry on there......

The far right are going nowhere. The centre right, hopefully, are on the move. ....at least I hope so

Suggest you take a look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_a ... _in_Europe

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 25 Jun 2016, 20:50

clv101 wrote:It is an odd situation we find ourselves in. The vast majority of 'the establishment', the power, the money, the corporations etc. are unhappy with the result. I'm not even sure Boris and Gove are that happy with the result - doubt they expected to win, they probably just saw it as a vehicle to increase their stature.

I think the likes of BJ and Gove are conflicted about this - and in fact it took him a while to make his mind up. The conflict is between heart and mind - they know that the "rational" decision from their own narrow financial self-interest was to be on the remain side with the rest of the establishment. But some people in the establishment also have a patriotic, nostalgic, "Britain stands alone" thing going on - heart rather than mind. And in their case, the flag-waving patriotiosm won out over the rational self-interest.

3rdRock · Post by **3rdRock** » 25 Jun 2016, 20:51

UndercoverElephant wrote:
clv101 wrote:It is an odd situation we find ourselves in. The vast majority of 'the establishment', the power, the money, the corporations etc. are unhappy with the result. I'm not even sure Boris and Gove are that happy with the result - doubt they expected to win, they probably just saw it as a vehicle to increase their stature.
I think the likes of BJ and Gove are conflicted about this - and in fact it took him a while to make his mind up. The conflict is between heart and mind - they know that the "rational" decision from their own narrow financial self-interest was to be on the remain side with the rest of the establishment. But some people in the establishment also have a patriotic, nostalgic, "Britain stands alone" thing going on - heart rather than mind. And in their case, the flag-waving patriotiosm won out over the rational self-interest.

All spitfires and empire, eh? Wankers!

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 25 Jun 2016, 20:52

They knew that there is electoral support for Brexit, but those that understand how things work believe it is not good for the UK for solid rational reasons. However, part of politics is winning elections and you can win elections without necessarily proposing ideas that will work.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 25 Jun 2016, 20:53

3rdRock wrote:
AutomaticEarth wrote:
woodburner wrote: There is no need for you, (who appears to be one of the disgruntled remain voters), to make such childish remarks about someone you disagree with. Makes your argument worthless. Maybe you think perpetual growth is realistic, if so you will be disappointed.
3rdRock / Shortfall is like a jack in a box. Pops up, males a bit of noise, them goes away when he gets bored. Ie he / it is a troll.
Which group do you belong to? The ill-educated or the terminally bewildered?

Neither, probably the Enlightened group

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 25 Jun 2016, 20:56

3rdRock wrote:
AutomaticEarth wrote:
3rdRock wrote: There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See.

Wake up FFS! The far right are on the move throughout Europe and it'll be the poor, sick and disaffected who, as usual, will wind up paying the ultimate price.
You are on the wrong site buddy. Please go to the many conspiracy sites out and carry on there......

The far right are going nowhere. The centre right, hopefully, are on the move. ....at least I hope so
Suggest you take a look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/List_of_active_nationalist_parties_in_Europe

That is just a point of view 3rdRock. Who is to say they'll get anywhere?

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 25 Jun 2016, 20:56

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... e-eu-liars

The media do not damn themselves, so I am speaking out of turn when I say that if you think rule by professional politicians is bad wait until journalist politicians take over. Johnson and Gove are the worst journalist politicians you can imagine: pundits who have prospered by treating public life as a game.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 25 Jun 2016, 20:58

3rdRock wrote:
PS_RalphW wrote:Government petition site has a petition to re-run the referendum on the (spurious) grounds that the result was too narrow to be decisive.

It has 1.85 Million signatures in just 1 day - more than double previous record and at one point the site crashed due to demand.

48% of the population are really pissed off.
In May, Nigel Farage, reptile that he is, insisted that if the result favoured remaining in the EU by a 52 to 48% margin, he would consider it to be 'unfinished business' and demand a second referendum.

I wonder if he still feels the same?

Wake up! What are you waiting for? Sign the petition. Now!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

That referendumn is daft. It is a recipe for multiple referendums and a deeply divided country.

Please accept that you lost.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 25 Jun 2016, 21:01

3rdRock wrote:What you seem to forget is that the government is not duty bound to adhere to a referendum. They could take the final decision back to the MP's in the HoC. It would be hard for them to ignore 2.2M+ (and counting) registered objections.

Ah, so it is hard for them to ignore 2.2 million signatures on a petition...after a referendum where 30+ million people voted.

There is no point in the Remain side trying to get out of this. If Brexit does not actually happen, the result will be a massive surge in support for UKIP at the next election. You really want to see Farage in number ten?

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 25 Jun 2016, 21:04

The only way there could be a second referendum is if the brexit campaign itself called for one. (or sufficient elements of it). It is no good remainers complaining about the result and calling for another go. The leave campaign won fair and square (in the sense that there was not massive electoral fraud - which does happen from time to time). The fact that people believed their lies is part of the nature of politics.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 25 Jun 2016, 21:04

This thread is hilarious. I wish I could fast forward five years and see how it ends.