EU membership referendum debate thread

What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

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clv101 wrote:
Little John wrote:
clv101 wrote: What poll is that? There were three yesterday; Survation, Surveymonkey and ORB none with those numbers?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eu ... 16-7699714

There are other sources
Is there a typo in your post, none of the recent polls talk of 47% Leave, 43% Remain.
I always think Wikipedia is best in these situations for an accurate summary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_p ... referendum
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clv101 wrote:
Little John wrote:
clv101 wrote: What poll is that? There were three yesterday; Survation, Surveymonkey and ORB none with those numbers?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eu ... 16-7699714

There are other sources
Is there a typo in your post, none of the recent polls talk of 47% Leave, 43% Remain.
Depends whether or not you include the undecideds.
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TheyThey are not leaving the decision making process, they are leaving an undemocratic federal dictatorship.
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http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article55635.html
Against this my forecast conclusion of BEFORE last Thursdays event, on the basis of the sum of year long analysis including over 120 articles and over a dozen videos concluded that the most probable outcome was likely to be LEAVE winning on 51.3% against REMAIN on 48.7%. Which both today's opinion polls AND momentum are appearing to confirm and hence implies that LEAVE / BrExit really does look set to win the tomorrows EU Referendum vote.
Nadeem saying that Leave will win tomorrow.

Well, he called the GE right and he could be right again.

All I can say is that a Brexit result will stun many who seem convinced that Remain will win.

Exciting times :D
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TAE: The EU: Government by Deception
Ilargi wrote: All Forsyth has to do is to quote from Monnet’s work, and I have to admit that while reading it I increasingly got the feeling that it’s quite remarkable that no-one, especially no journalist, does this. It’s there for everyone to see, but that means little if and when no-one actually sees it.

I have repeatedly talked about how the very structure of the EU self-selects for sociopaths and/or worse, but perhaps not enough about how that was deliberately built into the design. A feature not a flaw.

And I don’t think Monnet ever thought about how structures like that develop over time, in which the flaws in that design become ever more pronounced and the more severe cases of sociopathy increasingly take over the more powerful positions. A development that is well visible in present day Brussels.
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Lord Beria3 wrote:http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article55635.html
Against this my forecast conclusion of BEFORE last Thursdays event, on the basis of the sum of year long analysis including over 120 articles and over a dozen videos concluded that the most probable outcome was likely to be LEAVE winning on 51.3% against REMAIN on 48.7%. Which both today's opinion polls AND momentum are appearing to confirm and hence implies that LEAVE / BrExit really does look set to win the tomorrows EU Referendum vote.
Nadeem saying that Leave will win tomorrow.

Well, he called the GE right and he could be right again. Hopefully the young dumbheads stay at home.

All I can say is that a Brexit result will stun many who seem convinced that Remain will win.

Exciting times :D
Indeed. Telegraph has Leave ahead slightly. A lot of older voters are turning out in force. Let's hope they can swing the vote.
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Latest poll has shown an overall lead of 2 points for Leave and a surge of 7 points for Leave (when voting intentions are taken into account) just hours before voting starts

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ain-Brexit
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Lord Beria3 wrote:http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article55635.html
Against this my forecast conclusion of BEFORE last Thursdays event, on the basis of the sum of year long analysis including over 120 articles and over a dozen videos concluded that the most probable outcome was likely to be LEAVE winning on 51.3% against REMAIN on 48.7%. Which both today's opinion polls AND momentum are appearing to confirm and hence implies that LEAVE / BrExit really does look set to win the tomorrows EU Referendum vote.
Nadeem saying that Leave will win tomorrow.

Well, he called the GE right and he could be right again.

All I can say is that a Brexit result will stun many who seem convinced that Remain will win.

Exciting times :D
LB: The bit about saying 'the young dumbheads staying at home' was me typing into your previous post by mistake.. Apologies if this caused any offence .
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Little John wrote: But, as I said, I believe they will rig this referendum if at all possible. I have read up on the regulations and you are allowed to make your mark with a pen. Take a black biro pen and mark your box clearly. The polling booths only issue pencils. Pencil can be rubbed out.
Thanks for this LJ. The following confirms you can do as you say:

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-06-22/can- ... ing-booth/
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Remain may well win, but it has nothing to do with fate being sealed by that ridiculous poll. It has more to do with people being wimps and preferring to muddle along in the rut they are in. Making a decision is not a comfortable option for most. They would still be using Izal hard if it had been put to a vote.
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woodburner wrote:Remain may well win, but it has nothing to do with fate being sealed by that ridiculous poll. It has more to do with people being wimps and preferring to muddle along in the rut they are in. Making a decision is not a comfortable option for most. They would still be using Izal hard if it had been put to a vote.
I always liked Izal hard.... :shock:


And why not stay in a rut if you can't be sure that the adjacent area isn't a ruddy great chasm?


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Edit: past participle
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woodburner wrote:Remain may well win, but it has nothing to do with fate being sealed by that ridiculous poll.
Yeah, it's been clear for the last week that Remain are well ahead - when you consider what 'don't knows' are most likely to do, and the likelihood of a swing to the status quo the in final days/hours. It's been very disappointing how the media and most commentators have only focused on the headline poll result. The pound has been strengthening against the dollar and euro all week, the bookies odd on Leave getting longer and longer all week, now 3.5 vs 0.2!

The real question is whether the margin ends up being 2% or 8%, what happens to the Tory party and how the EU responds to the result.
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From Blue Peter's link
From this perspective, Leavers are not conservatives. The kindest thing one can say about them is that they are radicals, but many of us would have less kind words.
Another example of lack of respect for a view that differs from the writer's. Sticking a label on nearly 50% of the voting population does not say much for the intellect of Stumbling and Mumbling.
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