EU membership referendum debate thread

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 21 Jun 2016, 20:34

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... south.html

Britain is split down the middle with just two days of the referendum battle to go.
As voters prepare to go to the polls on Thursday to decide the future of the nation, YouGov data revealed deep splits across the nation.
While London and Scotland break strongly for Remain, Wales, the Midland and the North look set on a Leave vote.
Voters aged over 50 are leading the charge for Brexit but those aged 18 to 24 are set to heavily back the campaign to keep Britain inside the EU.

raspberry-blower · Post by **raspberry-blower** » 21 Jun 2016, 21:27

kenneal - lagger wrote:
raspberry-blower wrote:Car crash radio:

LBC: Osborne admits no plan in case of "Brexit"

This from a Chancellor who hasn't got a forecast right in 6 years.
Shockingly clueless
On the basis that he hasn't got anything right in six years is there any point in him making any plans whatsoever?

Fair enough point.
Unfortunately the clueless wassock has previously made 6 too many budgets. - which is surely making plans however abysmal they may be.

Osborne is almost certainly a goner after this referendum.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 21 Jun 2016, 21:55

johnhemming2 wrote:I have just spotted the fact that there is quite a bit of campaigning going on in Australia.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-36573622

Interesting. My friends are voting Brexit out there. Let's hope they influence the result.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 21 Jun 2016, 22:01

Lord Beria3 wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... south.html

Britain is split down the middle with just two days of the referendum battle to go.
As voters prepare to go to the polls on Thursday to decide the future of the nation, YouGov data revealed deep splits across the nation.
While London and Scotland break strongly for Remain, Wales, the Midland and the North look set on a Leave vote.
Voters aged over 50 are leading the charge for Brexit but those aged 18 to 24 are set to heavily back the campaign to keep Britain inside the EU.

I've been campaigning heavily to ensure older voters vote for Leave as opposed to young people voting Remain. I do get fed up with young people voting Remain, as it is their jobs that are at risk. They need to use their brains.....

Post by **clv101** » 21 Jun 2016, 22:18

Lord Beria3 wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... south.html

Britain is split down the middle with just two days of the referendum battle to go.

This is only looking at the headline figure from the polls, the situation is far more nuanced than that.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 21 Jun 2016, 22:23

The AutomaticEarths cut out and keep guide:

1) Are you a manager of a Multinational Corporation? Vote Remain.
2) Are you a gangmaster who requires cheap foreign labour? Vote Remain.
3) Are you a foreigner who requires cheap housing? Vote Remain.
4) Are you concerned with overloading of the NHS and other public services? Vote Leave
5) Are you a small business owner who needs access to markets outside the EU? Vote Leave
6) Are you OK with NATO expanding towards Russia, possibly causing WW3?vote Remain
7) Do you agree with the Queen asking the question regarding 'why should we stay in the EU?' Vote Leave.

Do you want employ workers, who have a high level of skills, who are not from the EU, to work in the UK? Vote Leave
9) Are you wanting Donald Thump to become the next President of the United States? Vote Leave
10) Are you a fan of the Front National in France? Vote Leave

And it goes on....

Post by **clv101** » 21 Jun 2016, 22:43

I'd be really interested in what more people thing is going to happen. Not what people want to happen, but what they think is going to happen.

I said earlier that I thought Remain would win by a margin of 3% (+/- 5%), UE said 50/50, fuzzy said 1/3 out 2/3 in Lord Beria3 narrow Leave victory.

What do others think? Steve? John? AutomaticEarth? raspberry?

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 21 Jun 2016, 22:47

Amber 'frakin' Rudd on Newsnight. She wants Turkey to join the EU. Come on folks, please vote Leave.

Also, if Leave wins, it presents a good buying opportunity for shares and property if prices bomb, if any of you are so inclined?

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 21 Jun 2016, 22:51

clv101 wrote:I'd be really interested in what more people thing is going to happen. Not what people want to happen, but what they think is going to happen.

I said earlier that I thought Remain would win by a margin of 3% (+/- 5%), UE said 50/50, fuzzy said 1/3 out 2/3 in Lord Beria3 narrow Leave victory.

What do others think? Steve? John? AutomaticEarth? raspberry?

53% Remain 47% Leave

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 21 Jun 2016, 23:23

I think that Leave will win with something over 50% and Remain will lose with something under 50%. I think that the vote will be rigged and we will be robbed of our sovereignty. At which point I hope and pray there will, finally, be insurrection in this country.

The BBC and ITV have declined to commission an exit poll ont he day of the referendum. this is more or less unprecedented. This means we will not have any idea of the way the vote has gone until the "counting" has taken place.

The Yanks want the EU to remain intact for at least two primary reasons reasons. Firstly it will be far easier to force TTIP through if they have only the one vassal administration in Brussels to deal with instead of many different sovereign nations. Secondly, they are using Europe in an ongoing cold war with Russia.

Then there is the fact that the bulk of the mainstream body politic, both here and in the EU is fully bought up by the corporate capitalist class. However, the establishment in this country is divided between the neo-cons wedded to the global corporate capitalist class and an older establishment wing, wedded to an older, more nationalistic order. That is as it may be and, to vote for Remain or Leave is to allow one of those establishment wings to prosper over the other either way. That being the case, THEIR interests can be effectively ignored. The only thing that matters to the rest of US is the extent to which OUR democracy, however imperfect that may be, allows us to vote in representatives who can carry our our wishes. For that, Leave is the only option.

But, as I said, I believe they will rig this referendum if at all possible. I have read up on the regulations and you are allowed to make your mark with a pen. Take a black biro pen and mark your box clearly. The polling booths only issue pencils. Pencil can be rubbed out.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 22 Jun 2016, 00:40

Taking a pen will be of little benefit, as 100% - (about half-a-dozen) will use the pencils provided.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 22 Jun 2016, 01:22

I hope Little Johns suspicions are unfounded. I like counting votes in my small town that still uses paper ballots and each team of counters are one each from each side.
It has been interesting to watch the USA stock market go up and down these last few days based on your poll figures . If leave is ahead the market goes down and as Remain pulled ahead the market went back up. Apparently the Wall street wonks think a a leave result would be bad for business.
The business show on Fox today ran a story about the betting in London on the outcome. A hundred million pounds on the table going three to one remain.
Again best of luck to you all on the outcome.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 22 Jun 2016, 02:09

Little John wrote:.......The Yanks want the EU to remain intact for at least two primary reasons reasons. Firstly it will be far easier to force TTIP through if they have only the one vassal administration in Brussels to deal with instead of many different sovereign nations. Secondly, they are using Europe in an ongoing cold war with Russia.

.............

Europe has always been a bit flaky in its support for the US. Britain in provides a bit of "backbone" to the organisation. With the British poodle in they have a bit more control over things.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 22 Jun 2016, 07:26

vtsnowedin wrote:..............
It has been interesting to watch the USA stock market go up and down these last few days based on your poll figures . If leave is ahead the market goes down and as Remain pulled ahead the market went back up. Apparently the Wall street wonks think a a leave result would be bad for business. ............

I didn't think traders minded whether markets went up or down, as long as they got in before it moved they make money either way. It's the punters that put money in thinking it is based on something real instead of the gambling that it really is, who get their fingers burnt. The maxim is if you can't afford to lose it, don't do it.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 22 Jun 2016, 08:18

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article55616.html

Remain losing ground. Is it enough to lead to victory for leave?