What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?
UndercoverElephant wrote:I think we are heading straight towards a major constitutional crisis.
Absolutely. Unless remain win by a decent margin (6%+) then all hell's going to break loose.
Well, that's not going to happen. Another poll this evening gave Leave a 10% lead.
A week can be a very long time in politics.
I will be astonished if the result is any better for Remain than an extremely narrow victory, and I personally do not understand why the bookies are in such wide disagreement with the polls. Presumably it has something to do with the amount of money people are putting down - which means that the betting public disagree with the pollsters.
UndercoverElephant wrote:If both mainstream parties continue to back the UK remaining the EU with no change to freedom of movement rules, even after a Leave victory in this referendum, then the eventual result will be Nigel Farage in Downing Street. Hell...*I* would vote UKIP if this happens. Parliament has to be held accountable. It cannot be allowed to get away with holding a referendum then ignoring the result simply because it has the power to do so.
It would be an odd situation for parliament to move one way where a popular referendum would move the other - but certainly not unprecedented. The point is that both mainstream parties were elected on a pro-EU ticket, so they could claim mandate to stay in the EU even after a referendum result.
I guess the solution would be to have another election - but what happens if even after Leave win the referendum, again, a pro-EU party (or coalition of parties) win the new election?
Basically we have two different mechanisms of answering the same question.
No. The referendum is asking the question about EU membership. A general election is asking a very different question.
Honestly guys/gals, don't build hopes up. I fully expect to 'remain' - and I will vote 'exit'. Even the polls are just false flags to pull the voting. I don't believe the young want in and the old want out - more false flags. The old have had a charmed life and will not rock the boat to lose their perks. They also have no concept of the challenges the young have just to live [or just ignore it].
What perks? Pensions mangled by successive governments? Disasterous diets since the 1970s? Exploding population? Effall interest rates on savings? Yeah sure I'll vote for that, - not.
To become an extremist, hang around with people you agree with. Cass Sunstein
I note all of the usual MSM suspects are now beginning to use the appalling murder of Jo Cox, the Labour MP, as part of the Remain campaign by insinuating that anyone who takes a view about immigration policy that is contrary to Jo Cox is one of the bad guys, vis a vis the EU referendum. The implication being that you must vote to REMAIN if you want to think of yourself as one of the good guys.
Those who would use this terrible event in such a way are an absolute, disgusting disgrace. There are no words to describe how detestable they are for doing this.
Little John wrote:I feel compelled to post on this just the once.
I note all of the usual MSM suspects are now beginning to use the appalling murder of Jo Cox, the Labour MP, as part of the Remain campaign by insinuating that anyone who takes a view about immigration policy that is contrary to Jo Cox is one of the bad guys, vis a vis the EU referendum. The implication being that you must vote to REMAIN if you want to think of yourself as one of the good guys.
Those who would use this terrible event in such a way are an absolute, disgusting disgrace. There are no words to describe how detestable they are for doing this.
Indeed. Tim Farron earlier posted in the Telegraph saying that the 'politics of hate' killed her. Looks like it's been removed. Someone well-known on this thread posted a link to the refugee crisis (nudge nudge wink wink). These posts have also been removed from this thread fortunately. I wish people wouldn't stoop so low
I was unaware of Jo Cox before today but from what has been said about her today it is clear that she was one of those rare public figures that truly belied in there positions and worked tirelessly for the common good. The loss of her before her time will cost the UK dearly and perhaps even the world.
Little John wrote:I feel compelled to post on this just the once.
I note all of the usual MSM suspects are now beginning to use the appalling murder of Jo Cox, the Labour MP, as part of the Remain campaign by insinuating that anyone who takes a view about immigration policy that is contrary to Jo Cox is one of the bad guys, vis a vis the EU referendum. The implication being that you must vote to REMAIN if you want to think of yourself as one of the good guys.
Those who would use this terrible event in such a way are an absolute, disgusting disgrace. There are no words to describe how detestable they are for doing this.
I am not trying to drag you into posting because I agree there is nothing good to add, but just check the graphs on this ZH post:
Little John wrote:I feel compelled to post on this just the once.
I note all of the usual MSM suspects are now beginning to use the appalling murder of Jo Cox, the Labour MP, as part of the Remain campaign by insinuating that anyone who takes a view about immigration policy that is contrary to Jo Cox is one of the bad guys, vis a vis the EU referendum. The implication being that you must vote to REMAIN if you want to think of yourself as one of the good guys.
Those who would use this terrible event in such a way are an absolute, disgusting disgrace. There are no words to describe how detestable they are for doing this.
I am not trying to drag you into posting because I agree there is nothing good to add, but just check the graphs on this ZH post:
The people who influence/cause "market" fluctuations are nothing more than gamblers. They don't inhabit a real world, just their short sighted fantasy, and are as disgusting as the MSM. Market traders don't really care whether the figures rise or fall, they make money either way.
To become an extremist, hang around with people you agree with. Cass Sunstein
it doesn't take a lot for someone to decide that Britain First is linked to the other more moderate leave campaigns and so decide to vote the other way.
All the attacker's neighbors have confirmed the man is mentally ill and that he has never ever expressed any political views of any kind and that he is, as far as any of them know, not a member of any political organisation. There is also now doubt being cast on the initial rush to report him as having even shouted "Briitain first" during the attack.
This needs to be shared and put out by as many people as possible to counter the bullshit being shoveled out by the remain campaign. God help us all for having to even deal with this when the woman is barely dead. But the detestable Remain camp are prepared to employ this bullshit and so it must be responded to.
I wouldn't push that link LJ, have you read the lynch mob comments? Of course even if it is a cut and dried political case as reported, there is an obvious link to other mentally disturbed attacks. People who get into bother attacking strangers for a 'higher' passionate motive religion/politics etc are disfunctional damaged people who have had poor life quality with little opportunity. In the UK, there is little employment or any chance to improve life for non star performers or workaholics, except by criminal activity. Life for the majority has got harder since 64 years ago when the SS Windrush immigrants arrived. The ever accelerating immigration means millions of people lead brutal lives if they work or not, because work generally is worse than it was before the endless stream of millions poured in over 64 years.. Most of these attacks and criminality are by non whites [an undesirable label but since the gov now hands out citizenship like sweeties, how else can we contrast people?] because they have even worse life prospects against immigration and are therefore more hacked off - see ISIS recruitment figures.
I wont be sharing that link, I will be sharing a video from it of an interview. However, I have no doubt that the comments on the video will be littered with numb-nuts comments.
So what?
Are we to refrain from sharing the truth as we see it because of a fear of being tarred with the same brush because a few divs post on it? How very convenient for those who do not want such news to be spread. So convenient, in fact, I have little doubt there are paid shills out in force, as I write this, who are posting far right nonsense on any of the sites questioning the remain campaign's use of this incident. That way, the entire site can be dismissed.
