EU membership referendum debate thread

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 27 May 2016, 10:11

AutomaticEarth wrote:http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/25/is-operat ... t-5905119/

Can someone make a logical, unemotional and unbiased assessment of the poster?

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 27 May 2016, 10:47

emordnilap wrote:
AutomaticEarth wrote:http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/25/is-operat ... t-5905119/
Can someone make a logical, unemotional and unbiased assessment of the poster?

I guess if you look at this poster from a cold, logical perspective, you could argue that the poster is just telling you to register your vote, and to use it how you see fit.

The fact that you've got a white skinhead character who is seemingly pointing at the Asian woman in a threatening manner is saying 'if you don't use your vote, he will, and it won't be pretty'. my previous point is that had been (say) a black guy doing the same, the outcry would probably had been far greater.

Automaton · Post by **Automaton** » 27 May 2016, 12:22

http://www.newscross.co.uk/eu-referendu ... f-bullshit

If only.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 27 May 2016, 12:53

AutomaticEarth wrote:
emordnilap wrote:
AutomaticEarth wrote:http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/25/is-operat ... t-5905119/
Can someone make a logical, unemotional and unbiased assessment of the poster?
I guess if you look at this poster from a cold, logical perspective, you could argue that the poster is just telling you to register your vote, and to use it how you see fit.

The fact that you've got a white skinhead character who is seemingly pointing at the Asian woman in a threatening manner is saying 'if you don't use your vote, he will, and it won't be pretty'. my previous point is that had been (say) a black guy doing the same, the outcry would probably had been far greater.

The outcry would have been completely hysterical and would have brought down whoever was involved in its commission and production.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 27 May 2016, 13:36

It is very confused. What is the message here? That if ethnic minorities don't vote then....then what? White racists will vote for....what?

I don't understand what the point in it is. I don't understand why this is expected to encourage non-voting members of ethnic minorities to vote. If it was during a normal election campaign where a racist party was standing, then maybe it might make sense. But not this referendum.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 27 May 2016, 14:16

It's as much about sending out a message reminding the Guardian-reading white middle-class that if they vote for Leave, they are allying themselves with white racist yobs, heaven forfend.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 27 May 2016, 14:50

UndercoverElephant wrote:It is very confused. What is the message here? That if ethnic minorities don't vote then....then what? White racists will vote for....what?

I don't understand what the point in it is. I don't understand why this is expected to encourage non-voting members of ethnic minorities to vote. If it was during a normal election campaign where a racist party was standing, then maybe it might make sense. But not this referendum.

Indeed UE, it is open interpretation. I guess it's Saatchi and Saatchi getting rich on producing rubbish posters.

Post by **clv101** » 27 May 2016, 15:07

It's a rubbish poster. Sad to think Saatchi and Saatchi will have billed thousands of pounds for it.

The wider point of 'a vote is a vote' is interesting though. We know different groups of people are likely to vote differently, 18-34s strongly for remain, over 55s strongly for leave (by similar margins). However over 55s are around 50% more likely to vote than younger votes. Obviously it's impossible for several reasons, but I wonder how the result would be changed if you weighted the votes cast by the turnout in particular groups?

Groups could be based on age, on ethnicity, area of the county etc... anything you like. It would be a way to mitigate the problem of variable turnout between groups.

Compulsory voting would be another way, but with its own set of problems.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 27 May 2016, 15:59

Compulsory voting would be fine, so long as there was always a formally counted option to vote "a plague on all your houses".

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 28 May 2016, 10:32

Yo for Delia, her Cookery Course, parts 1, 2 & 3, purchased in 1978, are still the most thumbed books in our food preparation room library.
And now she shows which side our bread is buttered.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ot-working

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 28 May 2016, 18:22

Interesting to hear that Yanis Varoufakis wants the UK to remain in the EU. I thought he'd be the last one to say that, given what happened to Greece.....

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 28 May 2016, 19:12

He's one of those who say: the EU's a corrupt, antidemocratic mess. Which is why the UK should remain. To, ah, help reform it from within.

What positive difference the UK will make to this future reforming attempt, I don't know. Apart from being a balance to Germany perhaps? We haven't been very successful so far.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 28 May 2016, 20:34

If you were running a country so broke that it survives on EU charity, you'd want the strongest economies to remain in the EU too.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 28 May 2016, 21:29

AutomaticEarth wrote:Interesting to hear that Yanis Varoufakis wants the UK to remain in the EU. I thought he'd be the last one to say that, given what happened to Greece.....

The question, of course, is what would have happened to Greece without the support from the EU.

He is, of course, like a stopped clock not always wrong. On this occasion he is right.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 28 May 2016, 21:37

Snail wrote: What positive difference the UK will make to this future reforming attempt, I don't know.

I suggest you read his book:
https://yanisvaroufakis.eu/books/and-th ... they-must/