EU membership referendum debate thread

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 24 May 2016, 22:27

The more the powers that be - Remain campaign - turn up the heat and scare tactics using Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) and warn us with ever increasing scare tactics (soon they will tell us we will run out of food if we don't vote to stay in!!) the more it makes me completely certain we should vote to GET OUT!

If the Establishment and 1 per center's want us to stay in so vehemently, then you know what you need to do

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 25 May 2016, 06:48

Some,of the 1%ers may want you to stay in but others, such as Boris, Lawson, Farage etc want to leave, so yours is a poor argument, Snowhope.

A great many non 1%ers want to remain.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 25 May 2016, 07:16

Ken Loach, that bastion of the establishment...

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 25 May 2016, 07:30

Is this more scaremongering?????????????

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 25 May 2016, 13:30

In the end it is the Fascist Commission and the individual, "moving to the right" governments which have the final say in the EU. The commission will sign us up to TTIP, for instance, either through the front door or, if they have to, via the back door. The people will have no say in it just as they have no say in any of the treaties!

raspberry-blower · Post by **raspberry-blower** » 25 May 2016, 20:53

TAE: Brexit: Wrong Discussion, Wrong People, Wrong Arguments

Ilargi wrote: I can write a book about this, not because Brexit is such a huge subject (just see if anyone in Europe cares), but because the EU is such a yuuge disaster, and there will be many more opportunities to return to the topic. I have tons more little notes scribbled down, and a flood more crazy claims and comments will be made by various parties in the ‘fight’. Just wanted to say that this whole ‘debate’ -if you can call it that- has so far been very different from what it should have been.

Why would you want to belong to a team like the EU? I know that Cameron does, and so does Corbyn, but none of that is reason you should too. Nor should you want to ‘Leave’ because Boris Johnson wants to. You need to look out over the whole landscape. But that’s just me

Not just Ilargi's view - I share that

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 25 May 2016, 20:56

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... elite.html

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 25 May 2016, 21:49

I did an interview about international agreements a week and a half ago and would aim to post a link here. It has not been put on youtube yet, however.

International agreements require compromises. The system used by the EU for dealing with modifications is one of the best with a directly elected parliament. It also places more priority on producer interests than many similar arrangements. (ie working conditions etc).

Hence I am of the view that it is a better arrangement than most.

Human beings often tend towards paranoia which is why transparency is important. The EU processes are actually more transparent than most.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 26 May 2016, 03:52

johnhemming2 wrote:................

Human beings often tend towards paranoia which is why transparency is important. The EU processes are actually more transparent than most.

The EU process over the TTIP and TISA negotiations has been about as transparent as a dam wall! One with a leak in though which is hopefully going to be disastrous for TTIP not us.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 26 May 2016, 06:31

Is EU transparency the new blackout lining?

As it is so transparent, how is it that they still haven't managed to find someone to sign off the audited accounts, or even to get them audited?

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 26 May 2016, 11:12

kenneal - lagger wrote:
johnhemming2 wrote:................

Human beings often tend towards paranoia which is why transparency is important. The EU processes are actually more transparent than most.
The EU process over the TTIP and TISA negotiations has been about as transparent as a dam wall! One with a leak in though which is hopefully going to be disastrous for TTIP not us.

The EU processes themselves, however, remembering that first and foremost the EU was created as a trade agreement - but a trade agreement with environment and producer protections as well - are actually quite transparent.

TTIP is a trade agreement being negotiated and is as with most such agreements not properly transparent.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 26 May 2016, 11:13

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/art ... -back.html

(posted to wrong thread sorry)

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 26 May 2016, 17:42

WTF??

Can you imagine what would happen if someone posted a poster of someone dressed as a jihadist saying something like 'ote White or else?' Guess it's all going to get ugly from now on....

http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/25/is-operat ... t-5905119/

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 27 May 2016, 02:01

Does anyone find it strange that something which is going to add to everybody's costs and reduce profits across the board should be hailed as the next best thing since sliced bread in financial circles? I suppose the financial bods see it as a confidence enhancing move as it signifies movement and growth in industrial circles.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 27 May 2016, 08:35

Plans to create an EU army kept secret from voters:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05 ... om-voters/