All-Party Parliamentary Group on Limits to Growth

Post by **clv101** » 19 Apr 2016, 21:01

There's an All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on Limits to Growth! How did I not know that? I guess it is able to pick up with APPGOPO left off?

Anyway, the've just published an interesting looking report:

Report:
http://limits2growth.org.uk/wp-content/ ... isited.pdf

Article:
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence ... .hhxhx3eqd

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 19 Apr 2016, 21:45

Written by Tim Jackson, he of Prosperity Without Growth.

Tim Jackson Retweeted
Caroline Lucas ‏@CarolineLucas 1h1 hour ago
Caroline Lucas Retweeted Limits to Growth
Thanks to all who packed out Committee Room 10 & to @ProfTimJackson for great debate on #LimitsRevisitedCaroline Lucas added,
Limits to Growth @appg_L2G
Thanks to @CarolineLucas and @ProfTimJackson for chairing a great evening. Great discussions! >> http://po.st/L2G-event #LimitsRevisited

http://limits2growth.org.uk/

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 06 May 2016, 16:10

Recording of the inaugural event, Limits to Growth or Opportunities for Prosperity?

The secretariat for the APPG is provided from The Centre for Understanding of Sustainable Prosperity, CUSP, here

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 06 May 2016, 17:08

"Sustainable Prosperity".

That doesn't sound like a new cliché to replace the now discredited "Sustainable Development" at all. No sir.

Same tune, different lyrics. Same shit different day. 7 Billion people require an industrial civilisation to sustain them. But, industrial civilisation is not sustainable. Therefore 7 billion people are not sustainable and it doesn't make any difference what other word is put next to "sustainable".

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 06 May 2016, 18:41

You've got to get the politicians onside first, LJ, and them gently let them into the secret that they're talking a load of crap! They're precious souls and you've got to treat them gently!!

raspberry-blower · Post by **raspberry-blower** » 13 May 2016, 21:29

A re-run of a re-run - in more ways than one

TAE: Why are we so bad at solving problems?

Ilargi wrote: Because I do still think it’s relevant and important to acknowledge that “we are going to evolve through crisis, not through proactive change.”, and that we are nowhere near realizing how true that is, and how much that denial, unfortunately, guides our existence. We’re either not even smart monkeys, or we’re that at best. We need a lot more self-reflection than we are getting, or we’re going down. And my bet, much as it pains me, is on door no. 2

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 16 May 2016, 14:20

raspberry-blower wrote:A re-run of a re-run - in more ways than one

TAE: Why are we so bad at solving problems?

Ilargi wrote: Because I do still think it’s relevant and important to acknowledge that “we are going to evolve through crisis, not through proactive change.”, and that we are nowhere near realizing how true that is, and how much that denial, unfortunately, guides our existence. We’re either not even smart monkeys, or we’re that at best. We need a lot more self-reflection than we are getting, or we’re going down. And my bet, much as it pains me, is on door no. 2

That is a good piece.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 16 May 2016, 17:53

the one thing it means is that we fool ourselves a whole lot. The entire picture we have created about ourselves, consciously, sub-consciously, un-consciously, you name it, is abjectly false.

Another quote from the article. I think this is very true and this fact won't/can't change.

And a quote from a comment which I like:

However, unlike all other forms of ‘super colony’, from ants to reindeer stuck on islands with no predators, humans have an ability for reflection, that for some members of the species at any rate goes beyond the current models of reality, and allows the possibility of the formation of new models. Like new species, it will be down to pure chance whether these new systemic models such as permaculture or the ‘gift economy’ (Eisenstein) will survive the coming extinction of the existing dinosaurs, and find niches to ride out the storm and take over when the big beasts are all dead. One thing is for sure, symbiotic cooperation and not just tooth and claw competition is a key to survival of any species.