USA presidential elections 2016

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 13 Apr 2016, 15:49

emordnilap wrote:This really ought to settle the matter of the presidency:

Bernie Sanders Calls for Nationwide Ban on Fracking

That might and should secure him the Democratic nomination but would probably cost him the Presidency in the fall. Your not going to carry Texas,Oklahoma, North Dakota Pennsylvania or Ohio with that position. Between them they hold 88 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 13 Apr 2016, 15:55

vtsnowedin wrote:
emordnilap wrote:This really ought to settle the matter of the presidency:

Bernie Sanders Calls for Nationwide Ban on Fracking
That might and should secure him the Democratic nomination but would probably cost him the Presidency in the fall. Your not going to carry Texas,Oklahoma, North Dakota Pennsylvania or SPAMLAND with that position. Between them they hold 88 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win.

I didn't say it would win him the presidency. Politics has no room for sanity. It merely settles the matter of who should win.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 13 Apr 2016, 16:04

emordnilap wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
emordnilap wrote:This really ought to settle the matter of the presidency:

Bernie Sanders Calls for Nationwide Ban on Fracking
That might and should secure him the Democratic nomination but would probably cost him the Presidency in the fall. Your not going to carry Texas,Oklahoma, North Dakota Pennsylvania or SPAMLAND with that position. Between them they hold 88 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win.
I didn't say it would win him the presidency. Politics has no room for sanity. It merely settles the matter of who should win.

Point taken

I don't know of a person who should win. Certainly none of those who have run for it this time.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 19 Apr 2016, 20:00

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1430062370 ... hess-board

This is the strongest position Trump has been in since he announced. The chess board is all set for him to win the nomination and then go on to a landslide in the general.

You may think that this writer is mad but I also think that a Reagan style GE landslide is a possibility for Trump in November.

The article explains in further detail why he thinks Trump is in a far stronger position than the conventional pundits think.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 04 May 2016, 17:08

Trump's done it!!!

The snooty media and political elite said that he could never win the Republican nomination but he just has.

All he needs to do now is pivot to the centre and defeat Clinton in November. Despite what the experts are saying that is very doable.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 04 May 2016, 18:37

Great, that will possibly bring about world economic collapse. Then some sanity may eventually emerge.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 04 May 2016, 22:11

Lord Beria3 wrote:Trump's done it!!!

The snooty media and political elite said that he could never win the Republican nomination but he just has.

All he needs to do now is pivot to the centre and defeat Clinton in November. Despite what the experts are saying that is very doable.

It will be interesting to see how he conducts himself from now on, ie whether he'll carry on with his bluster, or whether quieten down a bit, and attack Clinton on her weak points, ie Benghazi emails....

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 04 May 2016, 22:25

Kasich also dropping out of the race, along with Cruz. Will they now back Trump?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 04 May 2016, 22:29

If it's Trump against Clinton, Trump will win because he is not assumed to be "establishment" however daft that assumption, at heart, my be.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 04 May 2016, 22:54

Little John wrote:If it's Trump against Clinton, Trump will win because he is not assumed to be "establishment" however daft that assumption, at heart, my be.

He's not as establishment as Clinton, for sure.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 04 May 2016, 22:59

UndercoverElephant wrote:
Little John wrote:If it's Trump against Clinton, Trump will win because he is not assumed to be "establishment" however daft that assumption, at heart, my be.
He's not as establishment as Clinton, for sure.

HRC will probably win the election. She has vast resources backing her.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 04 May 2016, 23:06

But what if Sanders chooses to stand as an independent?

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 04 May 2016, 23:21

PS_RalphW wrote:But what if Sanders chooses to stand as an independent?

Fair question. He has significant financial resources behind him, so could certainly carry on.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 04 May 2016, 23:43

PS_RalphW wrote:But what if Sanders chooses to stand as an independent?

Then Trump wins easily.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 05 May 2016, 00:30

UndercoverElephant wrote:
PS_RalphW wrote:But what if Sanders chooses to stand as an independent?
Then Trump wins easily.

I don't think it is that simple. It would come down to his choice of running mate and how well he could articulate his plans for reforming the American economic structure. The fact that he sees (at least some of ) the problem and has thought about corrective action for decades places him miles ahead of "We are going to win Huge" and "I feel the pain of the coal miners I just put out of work".