Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[snow hope]

Fundamentally you are no doubt right Sushil.

But I am not sure what you are going to achieve by constantly making these posts?

What are you trying to achieve? What are your objectives?

You are undoubtedly trying to make very important fundamental statements of fact, but maybe you need to change your angle of attack to achieve your objectives?

You obviously think very deeply about these matters. But I can't help feeling that you have not thought enough about how to bring about the change you wish to see?

Just trying to be helpful my friend.

[kenneal - lagger]

Thanks, Sushil. A great improvement but still a way to go.

I don't think that unemployment came into existence with the invention of employment. It came into existence when man was denied free access to land. Before that, if a man wasn't employed, he could get all he needed for life from the land. He didn't need employment.

There still exists enough agricultural land for everyone to have enough to feed themselves. World farmable area is 5 x 10^9 hectares and the population is approximately 7.4 billion people which gives a fair shares land area of 0.68 ha/person or 1.6 acres which is enough to feed a person and give some fuel although fuel could come from the not inconsiderable non farmable area. Interestingly though, the farmable area per person in the UK is only .32 ha.

When sea level rise takes its toll the world farmable area will reduce considerably and some of the best delta farmland will be lost, and lost first.

[sushil_yadav]

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Out of millions of species on earth, human species is the only lunatic one whose food comes from money........Industrial society has created a lunatic system where food comes from money........This has led to a lunatic situation where the farmer who is producing food is starving to death because he doesn't have money to buy food whereas the parasitic urban population which is not even producing food has grown obese from overeating because it has got tonnes of money to buy food.

Out of millions of species on earth, human species is the only crazy one that invented the monetary system.

Out of millions of species on earth, human species is the only crazy one that gets salaries.

Monetary system of industrial society is a totally criminal system which has destroyed the entire planet........Industrial society created the monetary system to sell and purchase consumer goods and services.........Production and use of consumer goods and services has destroyed the planet.

There was very little exchange of money in pre-industrial / agrarian society........There were very few consumer goods in existence and they were mostly exchanged through the barter system.

The urban population of industrial society thinks its food is coming from the work it is doing in offices, industries and corporations.........It thinks its food comes from the salaries it gets from offices, industries and corporations........Food does not come from money.........Food comes from nature.......Food comes from fertile soil, air, water and sunlight.

For millions of years millions of animal species searched for their food........There was no selling or buying of food.

For 1 million years in hunter_gatherer society humans searched for food........There was no selling or buying of food.

For 10,000 years in agrarian society humans produced their own food .......More than 99% of population was engaged in producing food........There was very little selling or buying of food.

In industrial society which has existed for just about 100 years 50% of population is producing food and 50% is buying food........Rural population is producing food, Urban population is buying food.

In industrial society a fraction of world population is already producing food for entire population.........If industrial society wants the entire urban population can be given food for free.........But this is not done.........Industrial society stores the food grain in storage buildings.........The urban population is made to work in offices, industries and corporations where it gets salaries for producing and selling consumer goods and services.........With this money the urban population buys its food and then it starts thinking that its food is coming from money and the work it is doing in offices, industries and corporations.

This ridiculous system has destroyed the entire planet........Pre-industrial society / Agrarian society destroyed environment only for food, clothing and shelter..........Industrial society has destroyed environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial society has destroyed exponential extra environment for thousands of consumer goods and services.........This has led to destruction of forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere........It has led to the torture, slaughter and decimation of millions of species.

If urban work is not stopped immediately food will vanish from earth.........Industrial activity has released billions of tonnes of industrial gases into the atmosphere which has heated up the land, oceans and atmosphere........It has melted arctic ice and glaciers........Industrial society has decimated forests with industrial activity.........All this destruction has made the weather extreme, irregular and unpredictable leading to drastic increase in intensity and frequency of droughts, floods, storms, hurricanes and cyclones..........This has already affected global agricultural production.........Agriculture is going to collapse completely in the coming years.........There will be no food for man to eat.

In addition to this industrial society has killed billions of acres of fertile soil that produced food with cement, concrete and asphalt.

Industrial man has already decimated fish in the oceans........If agriculture collapses due to industrial activity there will be no food for man to eat.
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All the destructive work in this world happens when society does not produce food..........In agrarian society more than 99% of population was producing food.........In industrial society 50% of world population is producing food for entire population and the remaining 50% is doing destructive work.

Man was created on earth to do physical work.......For one million years in hunter_gatherer society and for 10,000 years in agrarian society, both adults and children did physical work........Mental work/ Desk jobs for adults and schools/ colleges for children have come into existence only in the last 100 years.

For millions of years adult animals searched for food, their offspring learned to search for food.

For 1 million years in hunter-gatherer society, adult humans searched for food, their children learned to search for food.

For 10,000 years in agrarian society, adult humans produced food, their children learned to produce food.

In the last 100 years in urban industrial society, adult humans have been producing and selling thousands of consumer goods in industries and corporations, their children have been going to schools and universities where they learn to produce and sell consumer goods in future.

Urban jobs and professions have destroyed the planet.
The entire urban population of industrial society is criminal.
The crime goes unchecked because 50% of population is now urban.
The crime goes unchecked because urban population is running the system.
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Millions of other species destroyed environment only for food.

Industrial man has destroyed environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

Production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately.

The collective work of human society must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.

Millions of other species only get food from earth.

(Give free food to the urban population but stop urban work.........A fraction of world population is already producing food for entire population).

Millions of other species have already been decimated by industrial activity..........More than 99% of collapse has already happened.........Only human collapse is yet to happen.......And people are still not alarmed.......If industrial activity for production of consumer goods is not stopped immediately man will cease to exist on earth within the next few years.

Human collapse is going to come with lightning speed now.
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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[vtsnowedin]

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For 1 million years in hunter_gatherer society humans searched for food........There was no selling or buying of food.

While money had not been invented barter and trade certainly existed. From the flint knapper to the maker of the straightest spear shafts to the tanner of hides and furs there were things a successful hunter could trade his surplus ( and perishable) meat for that were more durable and valuable. And of course women's work was under valued and poorly compensated for. And there is the oldest profession to consider.

[sushil_yadav]

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The issue is environmental destruction.........Food might have been bartered / exchanged in hunter-gatherer society but it did not destroy forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere........It did not lead to decimation of millions of land and marine species.

Industrial society has destroyed forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere because it has destroyed environment for food, clothing, shelter PLUS thousands of consumer goods and services.

Industrial society has destroyed exponential extra environment.

Hundred years of industrial activity has destroyed what was created by nature in millions of years.

[vtsnowedin]

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The issue is environmental destruction.........Food might have been bartered / exchanged in hunter-gatherer society but it did not destroy forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere........It did not lead to decimation of millions of land and marine species.

Industrial society has destroyed forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere because it has destroyed environment for food, clothing, shelter PLUS thousands of consumer goods and services.

Industrial society has destroyed exponential extra environment.

Hundred years of industrial activity has destroyed what was created by nature in millions of years.

But you are attributing the destruction to the wrong cause. It is the size of the population not capitalism that is causing the destruction.
Destroy capitalism and every bit of industrial society while leaving seven plus billion people alive on the planet and you will have made things worse not better.

[kenneal - lagger]

human species is the only lunatic one whose food comes from money

Our food does not come from money it comes from oil, in the West that is. It takes from five to ten calories of oil to produce one calorie of food, five in Europe to ten in the US, which is clearly unsustainable in the short term let alone the long.

Agrarian society and the consequent increase in human population started the destruction of the forests by clearing them for agriculture. Industrial society carried that on in its search for fuel. It was only the discovery of coal as an industrial fuel, and the desire to provide enough oak for the Royal Navy's ships, which prevented the complete deforestation of the UK.

It is human greed which is now fuelling that deforestation as South East Asia is ravaged annually to turn yet more forest into Palm Oil Plantations.

Sushil, it is human population more than industrial society which is driving habitat loss right now and countries like India are leading the way. It is well documented that the education and emancipation of women is the way to reduce population growth. In countries such as India, where women are very much considered second class citizens and men consider a large family to be a badge of masculinity, the population is rising at an alarming rate.

In the West the indigenous population has been dropping for decades now and governments have resorted to immigration to continue economic growth. In all countries where there have been increases in the education and emancipation of women this decrease in child numbers has been noted.

If you want to control the loss of forests and environment, Sushil, you will have to persuade your fellow Indian men that a large family doesn't mean masculinity but just stupidity. When India can control its population growth and preserve its own environment you can lecture the rest of us. Trouble is, we are telling you what must be done and you are ignoring us.

[sushil_yadav]

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Environment has been destroyed by industry not by population........If population could destroy environment then it would have got destroyed millions of years ago because the combined population of millions of other species was much greater than the current human population.

Population has not increased.......It has decreased.......Population has been decimated.

Increase in human population has coincided with decimation of millions of other species.

Total population of this planet has decreased.......Total population of this planet has been decimated.

The burden of population has not increased.......The burden of lifestyle has increased.

Environment has not been destroyed by the burden of population........Environment has been destroyed by the burden of industrial lifestyle.
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Millions of other species destroyed environment only for food.

Industrial man has destroyed environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial man has destroyed exponential extra environment.

Production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately.

The collective work of human society must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.

Millions of other species only get food from earth.
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The cause of rapid increase in human population is also industrialization........It took millions of years for human population to reach 1 billion in 1800 AD........From 1 billion it jumped to over 7 billion in just 200 years after industrial revolution because of modern medicine which drastically reduced the death rate by curing diseases caused by virus and bacteria........If man had continued living in agrarian stage, human population would have been less than 2 billion today and this planet would be in very good condition.........Forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere would not have got destroyed.........Millions of land and marine species would not have been decimated.......They would be thriving with very healthy populations.

Hundred years of industrial madness has destroyed what was created by nature in millions of years.
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[woodburner]

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Out of millions of species on earth, human species is the only lunatic one whose food comes from money........Industrial society has created a lunatic system where food comes from money........This has led to a lunatic situation where the farmer who is producing food is starving to death because he doesn't have money to buy food whereas the parasitic urban population which is not even producing food has grown obese from overeating because it has got tonnes of money to buy food.

I see you are still talking rubbish. Generally people with tons of money eat good food and do not get obese. It is the people who have been misled about what is "healthy" food, and/or do not have much money that eat a poor diet and get obese. Additionally they do not become obese from overeating, they overeat because they are obese, but I doubt you will be able to follow the subtle logic.

[woodburner]

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Environment has been destroyed by industry not by population........If population could destroy environment then it would have got destroyed millions of years ago because the combined population of millions of other species was much greater than the current human population.

Population has not increased.......It has decreased.......Population has been decimated.

Increase in human population has coincided with decimation of millions of other species.

Total population of this planet has decreased.......Total population of this planet has been decimated.

The burden of population has not increased.......The burden of lifestyle has increased.

Environment has not been destroyed by the burden of population........Environment has been destroyed by the burden of industrial lifestyle.
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Millions of other species destroyed environment only for food.

Industrial man has destroyed environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial man has destroyed exponential extra environment.

Production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately.

The collective work of human society must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.

Millions of other species only get food from earth.
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The cause of rapid increase in human population is also industrialization........It took millions of years for human population to reach 1 billion in 1800 AD........From 1 billion it jumped to over 7 billion in just 200 years after industrial revolution because of modern medicine which drastically reduced the death rate by curing diseases caused by virus and bacteria........If man had continued living in agrarian stage, human population would have been less than 2 billion today and this planet would be in very good condition.........Forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere would not have got destroyed.........Millions of land and marine species would not have been decimated.......They would be thriving with very healthy populations.

Hundred years of industrial madness has destroyed what was created by nature in millions of years.
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At least while you are writing this you are not breeding and adding to the population increase/decrease or what ever you want to call it.

Are you a real poster or a spambot?

[vtsnowedin]

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Population has not increased.......It has decreased.......Population has been decimated.

Increase in human population has coincided with decimation of millions of other species.

Total population of this planet has decreased.......Total population of this planet has been decimated.

The burden of population has not increased.......The burden of lifestyle has increased.

Environment has not been destroyed by the burden of population........Environment has been destroyed by the burden of industrial lifestyle.
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I doubt if you can come up with a single scrape of hard evidence to support that.

[AutomaticEarth]

I can't believe members are responding to this thread. I tried to get this shut down months ago but got rebuffed by PM by a well-known member on this forum...so it goes....

[sushil_yadav]

I tried to get this shut down months ago .

you just revealed your real motive for joining discussion forums.

Truth hurts.........doesn't it???

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[sushil_yadav]

At least while you are writing this you are not breeding and adding to the population increase/decrease or what ever you want to call it.

Are you a real poster or a spambot?

woodburner,,,,,,,,,,,where was the need for you to quote my entire long post when all you are capable of writing is two stupid lines.

Do you understand written text?

you keep renting about breeding, breeding and more breeding.......my previous comment explained that environment has not been destroyed by population..........The combined population of millions of other species was much greater than current human population........Yet they did not destroy environment for millions of years.........Is it too hard for you to understand this ???

[sushil_yadav]

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Out of millions of species on earth, human species is the only lunatic one whose food comes from money........Industrial society has created a lunatic system where food comes from money........This has led to a lunatic situation where the farmer who is producing food is starving to death because he doesn't have money to buy food whereas the parasitic urban population which is not even producing food has grown obese from overeating because it has got tonnes of money to buy food.

I see you are still talking rubbish. Generally people with tons of money eat good food and do not get obese. It is the people who have been misled about what is "healthy" food, and/or do not have much money that eat a poor diet and get obese. Additionally they do not become obese from overeating, they overeat because they are obese, but I doubt you will be able to follow the subtle logic.

Your subtle logic is no logic at all........The cause of all problems is industrialization.........All problems of industrial society have either been created by industrialization or worsened by industrialization.........Obesity is no exception.

In pre-industrial society people could eat only when food was cooked at home..........In industrial society people are eating all the time because millions of tonnes of ready-made / packaged food is available in shops, restaurants and homes 24 x 7 , 365 days of the year.

The second cause of obesity is the switch-over from physical work to mental work / desk jobs which happened after industrialization .........Billions of people have switched over to mental work / desk jobs after industrialization........Physical work requires more calories.........Mental work requires fewer calories but instead of eating less food people started eating more because of the easy availability of packaged / processed food and drinks.

This is what has led to the epidemic of obesity in industrial society.........Half of the industrial population has grown obese from overeating and because of the switch over to desk jobs.
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