Will landline telephones work in a power cut ?
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Will landline telephones work in a power cut ?
The accepted wisdom is that they will work.
Various official guides to preparing for emergencies strongly imply that this is the case. Commonplace advice is to have "at least one corded telephone that plugs directly into a BT phone socket"
And warnings that "cordless telephone wont work in a power cut because they need power to the base unit" Which certainly implies that the corded type WILL work.
Historically, basic standard phones definitely worked in a power cut, each phone number had its own pair of copper wires back to the telephone exchange, and had no connection whatsoever with the telephone subscribers mains electricity supply. If indeed the subscriber even HAD electricity, I recall phones working fine in premises with gas lighting and no electricity.
Power to work the phone came from the exchange which was equipped with a very large battery, typically sufficient for 12 hours operation. All but the very smallest exchanges also had a diesel generator, and some important exchanges had duplicated mains supplies as well.
I well recall directly connected telephones in homes or small business working as normal during the rota power cuts of the 1970s.
(many larger companies lacked phone service because they had a private exchange for routing calls to the desired department etc. This equipment needed power and SHOULD have had a backup battery, most had dead batteries)
I do however have considerable doubts as to the reliability of telephones these days in the event of power cuts.
Internet service is increasing supplied by a fibre optic cable to a cabinet in the street, and a relatively short length of copper phone line from the subscriber's premises to this cabinet.
The telephone signal takes the same route.
This equipment needs electricity to function, the fibre optic line back to the exchange simply CAN NOT supply electricity to send a signal down the copper wire.
The electricity is supplied via a standard connection to a street main, like say a street light.
At least some of the cabinets contain a backup battery, but will these work, and for how long ? remember that they probably the cheapest available and are exposed to extremes of temperature.
Note that even if YOUR power is on, that the supply to the street cabinet may fail and interrupt your internet AND PHONE service.
In these days of value engineering, shoddily made imported goods, and general bean counting, I also have much less faith in batteries and generators at exchanges than "back in the day"
Food for thought ?
Various official guides to preparing for emergencies strongly imply that this is the case. Commonplace advice is to have "at least one corded telephone that plugs directly into a BT phone socket"
And warnings that "cordless telephone wont work in a power cut because they need power to the base unit" Which certainly implies that the corded type WILL work.
Historically, basic standard phones definitely worked in a power cut, each phone number had its own pair of copper wires back to the telephone exchange, and had no connection whatsoever with the telephone subscribers mains electricity supply. If indeed the subscriber even HAD electricity, I recall phones working fine in premises with gas lighting and no electricity.
Power to work the phone came from the exchange which was equipped with a very large battery, typically sufficient for 12 hours operation. All but the very smallest exchanges also had a diesel generator, and some important exchanges had duplicated mains supplies as well.
I well recall directly connected telephones in homes or small business working as normal during the rota power cuts of the 1970s.
(many larger companies lacked phone service because they had a private exchange for routing calls to the desired department etc. This equipment needed power and SHOULD have had a backup battery, most had dead batteries)
I do however have considerable doubts as to the reliability of telephones these days in the event of power cuts.
Internet service is increasing supplied by a fibre optic cable to a cabinet in the street, and a relatively short length of copper phone line from the subscriber's premises to this cabinet.
The telephone signal takes the same route.
This equipment needs electricity to function, the fibre optic line back to the exchange simply CAN NOT supply electricity to send a signal down the copper wire.
The electricity is supplied via a standard connection to a street main, like say a street light.
At least some of the cabinets contain a backup battery, but will these work, and for how long ? remember that they probably the cheapest available and are exposed to extremes of temperature.
Note that even if YOUR power is on, that the supply to the street cabinet may fail and interrupt your internet AND PHONE service.
In these days of value engineering, shoddily made imported goods, and general bean counting, I also have much less faith in batteries and generators at exchanges than "back in the day"
Food for thought ?
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An interesting point. The fibre to the cabinet (FTTC) cabinets do have battery backup for a few hours - though practice might not live up to the theory. However, even when a customer switches to a FTTC Internet connection (like BT Infinity) the copper pair to the exchange is maintained and the voice frequencies still use the copper (and therefore power) back to the exchange.
This is not the case for fibre to the premises customers when there really isn't any copper for voice or data.
Of course the other aspect is mobile phones. Many base station sites don't have any backup power (but some do) so coverage will be greatly reduced in event of a wide spread power cut. However for local power cuts, even covering quite a few miles there's a good chance you'll still see coverage from an unaffected tower.
This is not the case for fibre to the premises customers when there really isn't any copper for voice or data.
Of course the other aspect is mobile phones. Many base station sites don't have any backup power (but some do) so coverage will be greatly reduced in event of a wide spread power cut. However for local power cuts, even covering quite a few miles there's a good chance you'll still see coverage from an unaffected tower.
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A solar charger or solar-charged batteries for your mobile might be a good idea then.clv101 wrote:Of course the other aspect is mobile phones. Many base station sites don't have any backup power (but some do) so coverage will be greatly reduced in event of a wide spread power cut. However for local power cuts, even covering quite a few miles there's a good chance you'll still see coverage from an unaffected tower.
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Yes, they did, but my concern is that with changing technology, especially fibre optic cables, that telephones might NOT work reliably or at all in FUTURE power cuts.Blue Peter wrote:FWIW, I seem to remember that our phones still worked during the powercuts of the 70s,
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That is somewhat reassuring, thanks for the information.snow hope wrote:We have fairly regular power cuts and corded phones still work - I keep one specifically for this purpose. I have had FTTC for a couple of years.
Anyone else got recent first hand experience ?
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We had a power cut right across our district last year for about 2 hrs. My parent's place has a corded phone, and when I tried my old corded phone ( I keep one as per Snow Hope above) in my place I had no trouble making a call.adam2 wrote:That is somewhat reassuring, thanks for the information.snow hope wrote:We have fairly regular power cuts and corded phones still work - I keep one specifically for this purpose. I have had FTTC for a couple of years.
Anyone else got recent first hand experience ?
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Yes, but no amount of backup power at the 999 call centre will help if your telephone makes use of a fibre optic connection and therefore does not work in a power cut.cubes wrote:Don't we also have to hope that the 999 call centre has power or a working backup generator?
Nor will backup power at the call centre help if the power supply at the telephone exchange fails and standby arrangements also fail.
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The phone exchange here in York got water in it during last year's floods.
I recall the Internet not-working for days, but whether the phones had packed up, I can't remember!
But yes: in the olde days iirc it was 80 volts on the copper wires. It takes a lot more power to ring a phone than to carry and process the speech going down it.
I recall the Internet not-working for days, but whether the phones had packed up, I can't remember!
But yes: in the olde days iirc it was 80 volts on the copper wires. It takes a lot more power to ring a phone than to carry and process the speech going down it.
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I have recently heard, but can not substantiate, that BT plan to migrate almost all phone lines to internet based/fiber optic technology.
A pair of copper wires to the subscribers premises will still be supplied, to which a corded phone may be connected. There is no reliance on the electricity supply at the subscribers address.
Contrary to previous practice, this pair of copper wires will NOT go back to the telephone exchange, but will terminate at a roadside cabinet, with onward connection via fiber optic cable.
This technology is totally reliant on power at the cabinet. Backup batteries will be provided, but with only a limited run time. I have little faith in such arrangements.
What SHOULD be done IMHO, but probably wont be is to provide these cabinets with a power supply from the exchange.
This could be done via relatively small armoured power cables run in the same ducts as the fibre optic data cables.
Single phase, at a non standard voltage such as 660/690 volts.
A pair of copper wires to the subscribers premises will still be supplied, to which a corded phone may be connected. There is no reliance on the electricity supply at the subscribers address.
Contrary to previous practice, this pair of copper wires will NOT go back to the telephone exchange, but will terminate at a roadside cabinet, with onward connection via fiber optic cable.
This technology is totally reliant on power at the cabinet. Backup batteries will be provided, but with only a limited run time. I have little faith in such arrangements.
What SHOULD be done IMHO, but probably wont be is to provide these cabinets with a power supply from the exchange.
This could be done via relatively small armoured power cables run in the same ducts as the fibre optic data cables.
Single phase, at a non standard voltage such as 660/690 volts.
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Sounds like what they call in Australia FTTN - Fibre to the Node. Powered nodes could be done with the method as you say but maybe there is not the will.
I have this and ditched the phone line as all I got on it was people calling wanting to sell me things or tell me that windows had a problem that they could fix.
The thought of calling someone when TSHTF has not entered into my mind.
I have this and ditched the phone line as all I got on it was people calling wanting to sell me things or tell me that windows had a problem that they could fix.
The thought of calling someone when TSHTF has not entered into my mind.
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