EU membership referendum debate thread

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 25 Mar 2016, 15:13

I've been saying for years that the EU is a fascist organisation and now some left wing pundits are waking up to the fact as well. Hoo-bloody-ray! It's an organisation run by bureaucrats for the benefit of big business with a veneer of democracy and public interest smeared over the top to fool the people. The TTIP negotiations should show just where the bureaucrats interests lie.

I've just noticed that the article is nine months old!! The left still hasn't cottoned on!

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 25 Mar 2016, 15:53

George Monbiet, Owen Jones and several other significant Left commentators have come out on the side of Brexit, I have discovered. However, theirs and other Left views on Brexit are simply not being aired on the MSM. In other words, they are being studiously sidelined. Owen Jones has, I have discovered been writing lot on this over the last three months. But you'd never have guessed unless you were specifically hunting out for his writing.

raspberry-blower · Post by **raspberry-blower** » 25 Mar 2016, 19:02

The propaganda front is in overdrive

Don Quijones: Brexit meltdown at the Bank of England

Project Fear’s shrillest shills include the British government and institutions of State, the UK’s most powerful business lobby group The Confederation of British Industry, the City of London Corporation (and all the too-big-to-fail financial institutions whose interests it faithfully serves), the European Union, the International Monetary Fund, and the world’s biggest fund manager BlackRock.

Another prominent prophet of Brexit doom and gloom is the Bank of England, an institution that, according to its charter at least, is supposed to be “independent” from national politics, but which has done nothing but feed the fear. In testimony to the UK government’s Treasury Select Committee earlier this month, the central bank’s Canadian and former Goldmanite Chairman Mark Carney warned that Brexit is the “biggest domestic risk to financial stability,” with potentially dire consequences for Britain’s balance of payments, its housing market, foreign investment, and its banks

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 25 Mar 2016, 20:06

In many ways it would be nice for Brexit to win to demonstrate the errors of the analysis. The main problem would be that the only likely outcome is a situation where we lose our vote in terms of decision-making and end up with consultation on decisions taken by the EU which are forced upon the UK.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 25 Mar 2016, 20:07

Little John wrote: Owen Jones

is another idiot much like Varoufakis.

raspberry-blower · Post by **raspberry-blower** » 26 Mar 2016, 00:56

johnhemming2 wrote:The main problem would be that the only likely outcome is a situation where we lose our vote in terms of decision-making and end up with consultation on decisions taken by the EU which are forced upon the UK.

Really?
How would this work in practice?
How can the EU tell the UK what to do when it does not have control of the Central Banking system?
This is a moot point.
If the EU cannot impose itself in an overtly oppressive manner the UK can always look beyond the horizon and say "Up yours!" and develop better ties elsewhere.
Yes there are many treaties that the UK are signed up to with the EU
These can be circumvented - the devil is in the detail and it's a lawyers' wet dream

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 04 Apr 2016, 23:07

Latest polls put Brexit ahead by 4%

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKCN0WZ0T5

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 04 Apr 2016, 23:17

Little John wrote:Latest polls put Brexit ahead by 4%

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKCN0WZ0T5

Hope you're right, but the Telegraph has a different view:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04 ... -taking-a/

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 04 Apr 2016, 23:29

I've cross checked across several news outlets and they all report the latest poll showing Brexit ahead 4 points. Some of them are playing this down by saying that this is because the under 34's are less likely to vote but, if they did, would be more like to vote In. The inplied argument being, presumably, that if the number of expected non-voters under 34 are taken into consideration, the lead would be less. But, as it stands, of those people across the age range who have indicated they will be voting, 4% more of them will be voting Brexit than Remain.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 05 Apr 2016, 02:42

It could be the Remain campaign want to get their people out to vote so are reporting that they are losing at the moment.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 15 Apr 2016, 12:35

This is a useful list.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 15 Apr 2016, 13:13

Hitler liked dogs, apparently. I don't think that means we should be distrustful of all dog owners. There are plenty of people on the left who back Brexit.

Post by **adam2** » 15 Apr 2016, 13:57

Little John wrote:Hitler liked dogs, apparently. I don't think that means we should be distrustful of all dog owners. There are plenty of people on the left who back Brexit.

Indeed, I know a number of people whom I consider to be left wing and they intend to vote for leaving the EU.
The major party of the left are pro Europe, this does not appear to be view of the majority of their membership.

All the major parties are pro EU. I detect some cynical self interest in this ! Once a politician has been voted out of office there is usually a well paid job as an unelected EU official waiting for them.
If we leave the EU, where are all the failed ex politicians going to go ?

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 15 Apr 2016, 14:20

adam2 wrote:..
If we leave the EU, where are all the failed ex politicians going to go ?

I don't know. Ask John Hemming what he is doing now.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 15 Apr 2016, 17:21

Heh heh: http://voteleave.co.uk/