Jihad Watch

[kenneal - lagger]

During WW2 we didn't declare war on the German people living in the US did we. No, we declared war on those fighting us.

[Blue Peter]

During WW2 we didn't declare war on the German people living in the US did we. No, we declared war on those fighting us.

I'm pretty certain that the US imprisoned many Japanese Americans during WW2,


Peter.

[kenneal - lagger]

As far as I know we have been successfully supporting the Kurdish people in their fight against ISIS by providing air support.

[kenneal - lagger]

During WW2 we didn't declare war on the German people living in the US did we. No, we declared war on those fighting us.

I'm pretty certain that the US imprisoned many Japanese Americans during WW2,


Peter.

Interned? Picky, I know but ...

They didn't do the same with Germans though. I wonder why? It was probably a racial thing in that the Japanese were visually different and easily identified. Things were a lot different in those days. They are a little different now.

[johnhemming2]

As far as I know we have been successfully supporting the Kurdish people in their fight against ISIS by providing air support.

That is true and I am happy that we support the Kurds in this situation. I do not think we should treat them as the enemy merely because of their religion.

Hence Islam is not the enemy.

[UndercoverElephant]

As far as I know we have been successfully supporting the Kurdish people in their fight against ISIS by providing air support.

That is true and I am happy that we support the Kurds in this situation. I do not think we should treat them as the enemy merely because of their religion.

Hence Islam is not the enemy.

According to that logic, provided at least one muslim isn't part of the problrem, Islam isn't the problem. Islam could only be considered the problem if every single one of the 1.6 billion muslims was a violent jihadi.

It's a dumb argument, John.

[Blue Peter]

During WW2 we didn't declare war on the German people living in the US did we. No, we declared war on those fighting us.

I'm pretty certain that the US imprisoned many Japanese Americans during WW2,


Peter.

Interned? Picky, I know but ...

They didn't do the same with Germans though. I wonder why? It was probably a racial thing in that the Japanese were visually different and easily identified. Things were a lot different in those days. They are a little different now.

'Interned', yes. I guess I should have looked it up, but I was too lazy. It appears that some Germans were also interned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internmen ... _Americans


Peter.

[biffvernon]

Thought for the Day was rather good this morning. I wonder if the people who try to spread religious hatred and Islamaphobia will understand it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03pgx4q

[johnhemming2]

As far as I know we have been successfully supporting the Kurdish people in their fight against ISIS by providing air support.

That is true and I am happy that we support the Kurds in this situation. I do not think we should treat them as the enemy merely because of their religion.

Hence Islam is not the enemy.

According to that logic, provided at least one muslim isn't part of the problrem, Islam isn't the problem. Islam could only be considered the problem if every single one of the 1.6 billion muslims was a violent jihadi.

It's a dumb argument, John.

So what exactly are you proposing? Noting that you are claiming that the religion of the Kurds is a problem.

It is worth being aware that if political leaders said the same thing that would worry the Kurds (this is relevant to the Trump issue).

[UndercoverElephant]

That is true and I am happy that we support the Kurds in this situation. I do not think we should treat them as the enemy merely because of their religion.

Hence Islam is not the enemy.

According to that logic, provided at least one muslim isn't part of the problrem, Islam isn't the problem. Islam could only be considered the problem if every single one of the 1.6 billion muslims was a violent jihadi.

It's a dumb argument, John.

So what exactly are you proposing?

I've told you what I'd propose to deal with the problem at home, including a ban on the wearing of Islamic dress in public and the building of new mosques - a "shot across the bows" of the Islamic community in the UK. And if the response was resistance, then more severe restrictions would follow.

But if you're asking about what should be done in Syria then my honest answer is that I don't know. It seems to me to be just about the most complicated civil war that has taken place in my lifetime and I do not pretend to understand the situation well enough to propose how it be brought to an end. Or even whether there is anything the western world can do to bring it to an end.

[jonny2mad]

I think a shot across the bows is a step in the right direction but wont work .

I think what will happen and your seeing it is some countrys that wish to survive are not getting on the multicult train, they haven't taken in refugees, they say their alien to their culture .

I think as it stands london is dead it will be majority muslim by 2050 if you stay in a united uk get ready to wind up muslim or your kids or grandkids muslim .none of the british regions shows any sense yet if your english speaking there isnt anywhere to flee to

I see seperatism and people fleeing to places closer to their culture, I dont see people in the uk actually doing what they need to do, you can see how they react to trump or edl or pegida marches the mass of the british people are suicidal .

Basically what will happen is white flight and then you may see wars going on maybe as long as the reconquistar in spain 800 years between caliphates and the places these non muslims flee too

[jonny2mad]

The reason you have changes proposed on eu gun laws, is basically the threat of 5th generation French Muslims, buying legal semi autos to add to the weapons their smuggling into france for the coming civil war .

And France the eu and the UK wouldnt even change the law to stop just Muslims getting weapons, we had laws like that to stop Catholics being armed they worked.

But now we are so hung up over equality and fairness we stop non Muslims who are no threat from getting weapons, just to support the myth what we are doing works.

[Lord Beria3]

The first step must be to intern the known extremists on the intelligence watchlist across Muslim communities.

I understand that many ordinary Muslims fear and despise these extremists even more than the rest of us, but fear openly taking them on within their communities. Well, in this case, I imagine that if they are loyal to Britain they will be privately relieved that the state has taken these extremists out of circulation.

Secondly, any British citizen convicted of terrorism should be stripped of his nationality and deported from Britain. That will send a message as well.

We also need to think more about protecting and supporting whistle blowers within the communities and encourage those loyal Muslims to speak up about extremists.

Plus, we must do more to monitor what is going on in the mosques. To avoid a total outcry, the government will also specifically target christian churches etc, but any mosque could be secretly monitored going forward. Any extremist messages sent out must be stamped on severely.

Finally, we need to bring in as a emergency act, severe restrictions on Islamic migration into Britain going forward. Lets not worsen the problem when we are struggling already.

In the longer run, if the above measures don't make any meaningful impact (give it ten years), I wonder what realistically can the state do? It may be the cause that far more draconian solutions will be required... the mass surveillance and deportation of those considered a threat? Probably - if we want to preserve our society?

Hopefully it won't end up like that, but with the demographics against us, it is to a certain extent a race before it is too late to do anything to avert disaster.

[UndercoverElephant]

Secondly, any British citizen convicted of terrorism should be stripped of his nationality and deported from Britain. That will send a message as well.

Deported to where? There is an international treaty, signed by the UK, can't remember what it is called but it prohibits stripping people of their nationality if that would leave them without a nationality.

[Lord Beria3]

Biff - not sure how I can make it any clearer.

I an not against Islam, only the extremist and hardline interpretations of Islam which despoil a beautiful religion.

I do think that moderate Islam needs to challenge the extremist and literalist interpretations more as well as reform the theological roots of Islam.

To do that, we must allow a honest debate about why extremist Islam exists, the theological roots of it and the best ways to defeat it. Trying to conflate Islamism and Islam is the biggest mistake possible, because ultimately, most Muslims are not Islamists.

If the political centre doesn't have that debate, than extremists and populists will take over. Trump is a good example of this. Like many people, I have big reservations about him but he is right to raise these issues, even if it is done in a divisive matter, because staying in denial is not a long-term strategy.