CLV, whatever the solution, assuming there actually is one, one thing is reasonably certain; the more refugees/migrants that are encouraged to come, the more will come. It will not stop at the hundreds of thousands or even a few million. As has been stated many times on here previously, ethically that changes everything. As hard as it is to say, there is no moral imperative to concern oneself with solving the plight of many hundreds of thousands of people when it is certain that in doing so, it will cause them to be followed by an endless stream of millions. The only point to it would be if there was a destination to such concerns. An end point, in other words. There is no end point. In which case, to encourage such migrants to come here is to sell them a false prospectus whilst simultaneously handing our political future to the far right.clv101 wrote:This is key. As far as I can tell there aren't any answers, at least not that anything like a majority would agree acceptable. The situation is a mess, and I'm very wary of anyone proposing answers, solutions or whatever. 'No borders' is extremely problematic, as is establishing firm borders, or building walls(!) given the state of the world.UndercoverElephant wrote:Interesting question. I don't know the answer, ...
Given how messy the situation is I'm amazed at the strength of opposing opinion expressed here. Those supporting Merkel's position don't seem to give nearly enough attention to the very real local problems associated with it and equally those supporting a 'tough', or nationalistic response to migrants don't seem to give nearly enough attention to the plight many hundreds of thousands of people find themselves in.
The situation is not black and white, there isn't straightforward answer, beware anyone addressing this situation with confidence.
In short, I am saying that, no matter how messy nor how brutal, there will absolutely come a point, either by choice or by forced circumstance, where there will be no circumstances whatsoever that migrants, of any kind, who have not been specifically invited, will be allowed into Europe. The only thing we get to decide, then, is when that happens and consequently how messy it is. It seems to me that the sooner that message is put out to the world, the less messy and brutal, hopefully, it will be. And it does not matter how difficult it will be to police and maintain a fortress Europe because the alternative is even worse. We are now going to have to face up to a future where it is not possible to do the right thing. Only the least wrong thing.
go on the dole have babys and take over europe.