Migrant watch (merged topic)

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 14 Mar 2016, 02:40

He's learned nothing.

He understands that you cannot solve a debt crisis by creating even more debt, but point blank refuses to understand that you cannot solve a migration problem by encouraging even more migration.

Why the difficulty?

(1) Unwillingness to admit mistakes and change long-held views.
(2) Peer pressure (in real life, not here).
(3) Self-image of moral superiority, regardless of the fact that his advocated policies have been proven to make the problems worse and create more, not less, suffering.

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 14 Mar 2016, 07:22

He's also oblivious to the comments on his own Grimsby telegraph link, from locals who hit the nail right on the head.

DN65AF · Post by **DN65AF** » 14 Mar 2016, 08:23

UndercoverElephant wrote: (1) Unwillingness to admit mistakes and change long-held views.
(2) Peer pressure (in real life, not here).
(3) Self-image of moral superiority, regardless of the fact that his advocated policies have been proven to make the problems worse and create more, not less, suffering.

You forgot two more
(4) They are thik.
(5) They are mental nutcases who in previous generations would be stuck in a corner of the pub bar spouting off their drivel and ignored by all.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 14 Mar 2016, 08:24

fuzzy wrote:He's also oblivious to the comments on his own Grimsby telegraph link, from locals who hit the nail right on the head.

Indeed

Biff could have given us a caveat - read the article but DON'T read the comments !

Still, there could be some signs of life regarding common sense on this issue of migration:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... votes.html

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 14 Mar 2016, 12:33

biffvernon wrote:Some photographs to help decide whose side one is on:
http://www.reuters.com/news/picture/pic ... USRTX1ZMSF

And here's a picture of me and some of my friends:
http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/200-u ... story.html

Funny you ask us to look at your pictures but wont look or respond to pictures of acid attacks .

Every islamic terrorist attack beheading, grooming gang, rape has a picture too .

http://pamelageller.com/2016/03/jihadis ... sary.html/

When the french say "french" muslims are planning on taking over parts of france they are not joking, and people like yourself will cause the same war here then try to tie the arms of british people when they fight back

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 14 Mar 2016, 13:29

From the same paper that Biff quoted:

GRIMSBY Telegraph readers are overwhelmingly in favour of an EU exit, according to our online poll.

A survey of more than 1,000 visitors to grimsbytelegraph.co.uk revealed 78 per cent believe the United Kingdom should withdraw from its membership of the Union.

The results show even more disdain towards the EU in the borough than those of a recent YouGov poll which ranked North East Lincolnshire as the 40th most eurosceptic area in Britain out of 188 and described residents' views on the matter as "mixed".

However, the national survey only polled 153 people in our borough.

Although only 153 people were polled, I would have though if you expanded out the number of people polled may give broadly similar results.

http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Brexi ... story.html

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 14 Mar 2016, 14:23

This is what the EU should be doing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT12WH4a92w

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 14 Mar 2016, 14:48

AutomaticEarth wrote:This is what the EU should be doing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT12WH4a92w

Yes

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 14 Mar 2016, 16:20

Yes. Solves the problem immediately and completely.

And, it should be added, this has nothing to do with Australian racism. Australia has serious limits to its potential populaiton growth due to the limited availability of one key resource: fresh water. If it allowed unlimited immigration, the result would be a humanitarian catastrophe for the Australian people.

"What are you talking about?", says Biff Vernon. "Australia isn't full! Why, I can see a great expanse of outback with nothing in it but the occasional kangaroo! Let the migrants go to Austalia. Fair's fair, y'know!"

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 14 Mar 2016, 16:31

I've said hes much like a cat lady, my mother was a bit of a cat lady so I know the type she would take in cats even when she couldn't look after them .

It's a form of mental illness that can't be cured

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 14 Mar 2016, 16:32

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35805010

Hundreds of migrants have crossed from Greece into Macedonia after finding a way through the border fence.

Earlier, some 1,000 migrants, including children, left their sprawling camp in the Greek village of Idomeni and crossed a river near the border.

This ends with the use of live ammunition.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 14 Mar 2016, 18:47

One knows when one has won the argument when one only gets personalised comments, abuse, ad hominems, strawmen and other logical fallacies.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 14 Mar 2016, 19:02

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/m ... -macedonia

Hundreds of asylum seekers have walked en masse into Macedonia in defiance of European attempts to seal the continent’s southern borders to people fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East.

Dramatic photographs and videos showed crowds of men, women and children wading through the river on Monday afternoon to cross the Greek-Macedonian border, where over 12,000 had been stuck for more than a week. Refugees stood in the water and formed human chains to pass babies and toddlers to safety on the other side, desperate to escape a squalid shanty town in northern Greece where medics have reported an outbreak of Hepatitis A.

Not sure the EU-Turkish deal is working so far UE

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 14 Mar 2016, 19:11

Lord Beria3 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/m ... -macedonia

Hundreds of asylum seekers have walked en masse into Macedonia in defiance of European attempts to seal the continent’s southern borders to people fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East.

Dramatic photographs and videos showed crowds of men, women and children wading through the river on Monday afternoon to cross the Greek-Macedonian border, where over 12,000 had been stuck for more than a week. Refugees stood in the water and formed human chains to pass babies and toddlers to safety on the other side, desperate to escape a squalid shanty town in northern Greece where medics have reported an outbreak of Hepatitis A.
Not sure the EU-Turkish deal is working so far UE

I'm not sure what you mean. The migrants themselves were not party to the deal. They didn't sign it. Obviously they still want to go north. They don't want to go back to Turkey. They will have to be rounded up and taken to Turkey, whether they like it or not. The bottom line is the migrants do not get to choose where they end up. Somewhere along the line, these people have come under the impression that they have a right to settle in Europe - in whatever part of Europe they choose. We are now entering a phase where they discover that actually they do not have that right. At the moment they are in denial. This will change.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 14 Mar 2016, 19:21

biffvernon wrote:One knows when one has won the argument when one only gets personalised comments, abuse, ad hominems, strawmen and other logical fallacies.

If you think you have won the argument on immigration then you are considerably more detached from reality than I thought you were.

The truth of the matter is this: the policy you've been advocating (the German policy) has been a total disaster, and a very public failure, and the majority of countries in Europe have now taken matters into their own hands to reverse it.

The current situation was inevitable. It was always going to happen. I knew it was going to happen twenty years ago, I just didn't know when, exactly. You are apparently still hoping it might not happen after it has actually happened.

Wake up, Biff. This is the Long Descent, the Long Emergency, the Great Catastrophe. It isn't just theory anymore. It's happening. This is what it looks like: negative interest rates, President Donald Trump, the worst migration crisis since the end of WWII, the begining of the break-up/break-down of the EU, the rise of the far right...

Europe has no choice but to protect itself from the tsunami of human misery that is going to try to get here in the coming years and decades as the world as we know it descends into chaos. I think you've forgotten which board you are posting on. You aren't talking to a bunch of fluffy-minded dreamers on Powerswitch. You are talking to a bunch of people who think the world as we know it is ending, because they trade in reality, not dreams.

A reminder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulxe1ie-vEY