Migrant watch (merged topic)

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 10 Mar 2016, 08:50

I don't know what Farage says about Turkey, but it is important to understand the ethnic allegiances. The Turks have a problem with the Kurds. Daesh oppose the Kurds.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 10 Mar 2016, 11:01

Little John wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AzBXNDNBtQ

Well a good reason to leave the eu, add that to undercovers earlier post about how the borders are closing in the balkans, I can see the whole eu project which while it stayed european was a good one is doomed.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 10 Mar 2016, 11:31

also borrowed your post undercover and posted it on facebook, your right it is a turning point and you can only feel sorry for the various afghans ect now stuck in greece

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 10 Mar 2016, 14:00

AutomaticEarth wrote:You are swimming against the tide buddy.

As most of us here realise, the tide is sweeping humanity to it's doom. Swimming against it is what I have always done, what with the tide running in the wrong direction.

Here's a picture of some Syrians on the Greece - Macedonia border.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 10 Mar 2016, 16:43

http://pamelageller.com/2016/03/muslim- ... -off.html/ some pictures of migrants that are coming to germany

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 10 Mar 2016, 19:23

This Turkish deal is illegal and betrays Europe’s values | Guy Verhofstadt http://gu.com/p/4hdne/stw

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 10 Mar 2016, 19:42

biffvernon wrote:This Turkish deal is illegal and betrays Europe’s values | Guy Verhofstadt http://gu.com/p/4hdne/stw

I'm european as are all the people willing to shoot migrants you have political partys in germany talking about doing that, your values that you say are europes values are not our values .

When bullets start flying or the germans and others start acting like they did 70 years ago don't be suprised.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 10 Mar 2016, 19:47

When you consider what happened to the other group of people in germany that the germans didnt want in germany, how the hell you can cause the same thing over again I have no idea .

The jews were not raping 126 women a night in the 1930s in germany in mass attacks, its amazing really the germans have been so quiet so far.

you have a far right in germany and you really are bringing them to power

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 10 Mar 2016, 22:03

Biff,
Have you looked at this this thread:

http://pamelageller.com/2016/03/muslim- ... -off.html/

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 10 Mar 2016, 22:11

It's over, Biff. Let it go.

We were always going to arrive at this point, sooner or later. Merkel's stupidity probably means it happened sooner than it might otherwise, but it was always coming. Now everybody has to move forward and make choices based on the REALITY that is actually on offer. There is no point in trying to resurrect a dead dream.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 10 Mar 2016, 23:42

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35772206

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has blamed European nations for "unilaterally" shutting the Balkan route for migrants.

She said this had put Greece in a "very difficult situation" and such decisions should be taken by the whole of the EU.

What astonishing arrogance. Merkel decides to impose a solution on Europe that suits her own, very German, way of looking at things, against fierce resistance from almost every other EU country. Eventually it all goes horribly tits up, and together, the countries of central and south-east Europe do what they had to do. Merkel responds by accusing those countries, collectively, of "acting unilaterally".

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 11 Mar 2016, 15:15

This is quite refreshing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35781613

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 12 Mar 2016, 07:35

Justin Welby is wrong. It is racist to blame migrants for your fears about jobs and wages

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jus ... 25106.html

And strictly for those with a sense of humour:
http://druidsloom.co.uk/druid/some-of-m ... anterbury/

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 12 Mar 2016, 08:25

I suppose there are two potential positions.

One is that having any immigration rules is racist. The other is that having rules that act to limit migration is not in itself racist.

I support the latter position. I don't have a problem arguing for limits on migration and I do not think it is racist. It is not related to the race of the people migrating it is relating to the economic and resource pressures that they apply on the places that they are migrating to.

Obviously some immigration is helpful. This was more the case in the 1960s when technology was not as advanced. However, a swell of people willing to work at the minimum wage subsidised by the state does undermine both those people who they compete with for work and the state's finances.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 12 Mar 2016, 09:12

johnhemming2 wrote:However, a swell of people willing to work at the minimum wage...

So how come politicians have for so long complained when workers have demanded higher wages, resisted pressure to introduce a minimum wage, resisted pressure to raise the minimum wage or pay a living wage? Politicians have consistently told us that the economy will be more sound if workers are willing to work for less.
You can't have it both ways.

On the other hand: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/m ... ustralians

Alyson Frazier, a 25-year-old classical musician from Washington DC, is trying to describe how it feels when people ask her whether she wants to stay in Britain. “It’s like asking a fish: ‘How’s the water?’. London is my home. This is where I have built my adult life since the age of 19.”

Unfortunately Frazier – who has a first class MA from the Royal Academy of Music and is the co-founder of Play for Progress, a therapeutic music programme for refugee children – only earns £17,000 a year.

That’s less than half the salary she, her fellow-Americans and other non-EU migrants will soon need to stay in the country permanently, thanks to rules being introduced next month.

From 6 April all skilled workers from outside the EU who have been living here for less than 10 years will need to earn at least £35,000 a year to settle permanently in the UK. Some jobs, such as nurses, are exempt (see How the rules are changing, right) but Frazier’s is not. Unless she gets a higher-paid job, she will be deported in September.

Another immigrant, Mark Carney, a Canadian banker, should be OK as his pay is £880,000.