Migrant watch (merged topic)

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 05 Mar 2016, 13:47

kenneal - lagger wrote: Also Turkey wants to join the EU

You think Turkey has a cat in Hell's chance of joining the EU any time soon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-pgyFATEnA

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 05 Mar 2016, 14:42

biffvernon wrote:...except that if the cheap labour were to move to the rich nation, there would be an opportunity to collect income tax and benefit from that larger numbers directly participating in the economy. What has happened in some of the Gulf states is that low-wage labour has been imported allowing the natives to swan about in luxury while the immigrants do all the hard work.

Now, of course, I'm not suggesting any of this is a good thing. Far from it. But it illustrates the flaw in the idea that an influx of cheap labour is detrimental to the host population.

Biff, your love of a border free world is affecting your intellect. Either that or you have a strange sense of humour. Cheap labour of itself doesn't lead to new jobs. It probably has a deleterious effect as it decreases the wages of a nation and decreases its spending power leading to a loss of employment in the retail, manufacturing and distribution sectors. The reduction in the tax base then has a deleterious effect on the public sector as austerity measures are introduced which then adds a negative feedback into the public finances.

You should be aware that the Gulf States rely entirely on their oil income to "swan about in luxury while the immigrants do all the hard work". The drop in their oil income is putting this ability in grave danger.

Now, of course, I'm not suggesting any of this is a good thing. Far from it. But it is a very good illustration of the idea that an influx of cheap labour is detrimental to the host population.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 06 Mar 2016, 08:05

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -work.html

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 06 Mar 2016, 08:38

It would be interesting whether biffs views would change if his wife and daughters were among the 126 women in cologne that were gang raped on new years eve .

These women were out with groups of people including men husbands fathers but those men failed to protect them, as did their society because the biffs in germany had imported the gang rapists. The Biffs are the cause of the crime

He says that what merkel did was the right thing and we need to do it to , try telling that to those women or better still try telling it to your female relatives after they are victims of your mad policy, not some distant german you care nothing for .

Now across europe you have classes teaching these men not to rape or sexually harass western women why is that ?. your female relatives don't come to you biff in tears so you have your mad notions

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 06 Mar 2016, 19:36

jonny2mad wrote: These women were out with groups of people including men husbands fathers

Erm. No.

Most of the women were trying to leave a railway station and a large group of men were blocking the way, so they had to try to get through the group.

As for Biff...if he's not willing to admit he's wrong at this point in the proceedings, he probably never will. I'm reminded of Sepp Blatter. The context is completely different, but the sheer bloody-minded stubborn refusal to admit error is exactly the same. Even if Europe/UK was over-run with hundreds of millions of ecomomic migrants, with public services in ruin and far right governments being elected all over the place, Biff Vernon would still be advocating more immigration. He will never, ever admit he has made a mistake.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 07 Mar 2016, 02:03

jonny2mad wrote: Now across Europe you have classes teaching these men not to rape or sexually harass western women why is that ?.

How long do you suppose it will take to progress from classes to firing squads?

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 07 Mar 2016, 02:54

Little John wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -work.html

Could the larger number of NI numbers be anything to do with multiple benefits claims?

Post by **adam2** » 07 Mar 2016, 19:49

kenneal - lagger wrote:
Little John wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -work.html
Could the larger number of NI numbers be anything to do with multiple benefits claims?

It would certainly seem to suggest that EITHER the number of migrants is much larger than is being admitted to, OR that significant numbers of these migrants are obtaining multiple NI numbers presumably to claim benefits more than once, or to work under one number and claim benefits under another.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 08 Mar 2016, 04:59

biffvernon wrote:Who'd have thought it, Putin takes over PowerSwitch.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 15171.html

(That's just for those who cant see a joke when it jumps up and...)

???

He needed a few crazy people to support her stance to get it through the German government though, Biff, and some did provide that support, even on Powerswitch!

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 08 Mar 2016, 08:32

Marcus Chown ‏@marcuschown 6m6 minutes ago
Refugees are us. The only difference is that they weren't clever enough to be born in a safe and affluent part of the world like we were.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 08 Mar 2016, 09:07

biffvernon wrote:
Marcus Chown ‏@marcuschown 6m6 minutes ago
Refugees are us. The only difference is that they weren't clever enough to be born in a safe and affluent part of the world like we were.

so am I you

This silly narrative takes away culture, so everyone is basically the same, when in reality that thing you avoid they are not.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 08 Mar 2016, 19:28

A woman speaks up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4htzWBcvRU&app=desktop

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 08 Mar 2016, 19:32

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rther.html

A leaked confidential police report in Germany warns of spiking refugee crime – including drug and sex offences – and a rise in radicalisation against the state.

The report says 'immigration will lead to more crime and increased police usage' to combat it.

The number of crimes – of violence, sexual, property theft and narcotic offences – will rise, says the paper of the North Rhine-Westphalian department of the interior whose 'Immigration' project involves both individual states and central government.

The document, entitled 'Challenges To And Impact On The Police', was leaked to news magazine Spiegel.

Doesn't look like it is going too well for Germany's integration of the migrants.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 08 Mar 2016, 20:12

biffvernon wrote:A woman speaks up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4htzWBcvRU&app=desktop

Utter tripe. Those people are economic migrants, not refugees. They could claim asylum in France tomorrow, but they think they are entitled to British citizenship. They are not. Their human rights are not being abused. They have chosen to put themselves in that position. If they were genuine refugees then they'd claim asylum in France.

Hope that's clear enough for you to understand, Biff. Under no circumstances should these people be allowed to enter the UK. It would just encourage more of them to come and apart from you, nobody thinks that is a good idea.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 09 Mar 2016, 01:15

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35760534

Slovenia has introduced new border restrictions for migrants as part of efforts to close the Balkans route from Greece to Western Europe.

Only migrants who plan to seek asylum in the country, or those with clear humanitarian needs will be allowed entry.

In reaction, Serbia said it would close its borders with Macedonia and Bulgaria to those without valid documents.

The future of the EU's passport-free Schengen zone is already in doubt...

My bold. Check it out on the map...