Migrant watch (merged topic)

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 02 Feb 2016, 14:11

jonny2mad wrote:...so its a bit like a baby wolf complaining he was born in a wolf pack

It's a bit like complaining that you don't like the parents you were born to!

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 02 Feb 2016, 14:43

The quote is a bit silly, because in the modern world you have absolutely free choice to change any of those things. Anyone who spends the whole of their lives defending the religion or sect they were born with, even if they don't want to, is an idiot, we can change our names, and to a certain extent change our nationality.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 02 Feb 2016, 17:45

Unless you are born into, or convert to, Islam. In which case if you try to leave they will kill you.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 02 Feb 2016, 19:41

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 45861.html

German political leader suggest police should shoot refugees

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 05 Feb 2016, 21:20

Meet the teachers, charity workers, NHS staff and scientists Theresa May wants to kick out of Britain

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 53891.html

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 05 Feb 2016, 22:27

Most immigrants are good people. However, if you have immigration law then you need to look at it in the round not just single out one or two cases.

It may that I would agree with the Indepent's criticism of the law, but I cannot tell from this article.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 06 Feb 2016, 09:40

http://www.stop35k.org/

http://www.stop35k.org/#!dear-home-office/c5qrv

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1649940318614077/

https://twitter.com/stop35k

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 06 Feb 2016, 09:50

from their website wrote:Annual net migration in the UK was only 336,000 people last year. This is far less than the impression received by the general UK public from alarmist media reports.

They would be better looking in detail at the cases they are talking about and considering what would happen if the limit were lower.

What tends to happen in immigration policy is that the government sets limits based upon things like tax credit requirements.

It remains, however, that I have not looked at this in sufficient detail to have a view as to whether the 35K limit is too high or not.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 06 Feb 2016, 12:52

In my part of the world very few people earn £35k. Theresa May and her advisers probably live in a very different part of the world.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 06 Feb 2016, 13:27

I don't think it is about the numbers of people, but whether the taxpayer should subsidise the household through tax credits.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 08 Feb 2016, 19:54

johnhemming2 wrote:
from their website wrote:Annual net migration in the UK was only 336,000 people last year. This is far less than the impression received by the general UK public from alarmist media reports.

336,000 extra people annually (on top of internal growth) in a country already seriously overpopulated is not "only". It's an unsustainable disaster.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 09 Feb 2016, 04:23

336,000 may be a small number compared to the million or so that are going into Germany but Germany is a bigger country. Germany is also experiencing problems with that number so we don't want to go where they have gone. 336,000 is causing us problems so we don't want to increase the number, indeed we need to reduce it.

We have chronic unemployment, large class sizes with enclaves of large numbers of children not speaking English as a first language, lowering wages and increasing housing costs. We require a large investment of some of the massive profits that this immigration is supposed to bring to the nation in our schools and in social housing, any housing would do really. Instead we have austerity rather than riches! Doesn't that tell us something about bringing large numbers of people into the country?

As for throwing people out of jobs for which they are qualified because, in many cases, the state is paying pittance wages, that is just plain stupidity. It shows just how out of touch the rich public schoolboys who are running the country are with the reality of life for the rest of us. By all means control the numbers of new migrants coming into the country but to throw out people who have been here for years is, again, plain stupidity.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 09 Feb 2016, 05:01

I watched the Simon Reeve program on Greece on the box the other night and he went to Lesvos to see the Syrian migrant crisis unfolding last summer. He was very moved by the plight of the migrants especially a couple of women and their children who were struggling to cope with walking in the high summer temperatures. He offered them water and a lift which was fine until a bit further along the road they came upon the menfolk of the family. The menfolk's first and only reaction was extremely anger that the women and children were in the car with a male unknown to them!

What sort of culture do these people come from? No concern that their children were suffering from heat exhaustion. No thanks for the good Samaritan. Just get them out of the vehicle before their honour was defiled. Is it any wonder that we are having problems with migrants coming to terms, or not in most cases, with our culture? God help Germany!

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 09 Feb 2016, 07:41

kenneal - lagger wrote:
We have chronic unemployment

In what ways does migration affect the employment rate?

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 09 Feb 2016, 07:45

The Tories plan to kick 30,000 nurses out of Britain because they weren't born here. David Cameron’s new immigration laws mean workers recruited from outside the EU since 2011 who earn less than £35,000 a year after six years will have to back to their country of origin. The Royal College of Nursing (RCN) said: "This will cause NHS chaos."

Already buckling under the pressure of savage Tory cuts, this will leave hospitals with a critical shortage of nurses at a time when more and more will be needed to cope with an aging population and the devastating effects of social care cuts.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/ta ... 1954187790