Moderator: Peak Moderation
Oh Biff. Dear old Biff. You know this isn't really true. The wars are largely the result of climate change, resource depletion, overpopulation and the unreformability of Islam.biffvernon wrote: We are at war and the refugee crisis is a result of war.
So what are you saying - we shouldn't still aim for objectivity?Objectivity is, along with truth, a quick casualty of war
Of course not. Being science trained I always strive for both objectivity and truth on all occasions. I think that's tremendously important.Automaton wrote:So what are you saying - we shouldn't still aim for objectivity?Objectivity is, along with truth, a quick casualty of war
I can't agree with that.
Obviously the end of war, the establishment of peace, requires more than an un-trusting ceasefire. Rebuilding communities and societies doesn't happen overnight but most folk do not want to migrate; they prefer to be buried with the ancestors. And when Syria is a prosperous place once more (no, I'm not holding my breath) I dare say there will be not only many of the natives wishing to return but also Europeans wishing to retire there, just as British people do today to once war-ravaged parts of continental Europe.As for the war.... what do you imagine would happen if the war was stopped?
That would probably result in Daesh wining a large area of land and using it as a base to spread Jihad to the West; their publicly declared aim. Instead of stopping the war it would probably result in the extension of war to a large part of the world.biffvernon wrote:.........How do we stop the war? Pass. But stopping bombing and arms sales would be good first moves.
Indeed I don't think many people support appeasing Daesh. To be fair, however, I think Jeremy Corbyn probably agrees with Biff so he is not isolated.kenneal - lagger wrote: That would probably result in Daesh wining a large area of land and using it as a base to spread Jihad to the West; their publicly declared aim. Instead of stopping the war it would probably result in the extension of war to a large part of the world.
Ah yes, Daesh. Now remind me, how did that get going?kenneal - lagger wrote:That would probably result in Daesh wining a large area of land and using it as a base to spread Jihad to the West; their publicly declared aim. Instead of stopping the war it would probably result in the extension of war to a large part of the world.biffvernon wrote:.........How do we stop the war? Pass. But stopping bombing and arms sales would be good first moves.
you had people talking about setting up a caliphate for decades, lots of groups in europe you speak to had the idea years ago, they very likely have had turkish help and my guess is help from president Obama.biffvernon wrote:Ah yes, Daesh. Now remind me, how did that get going?kenneal - lagger wrote:That would probably result in Daesh wining a large area of land and using it as a base to spread Jihad to the West; their publicly declared aim. Instead of stopping the war it would probably result in the extension of war to a large part of the world.biffvernon wrote:.........How do we stop the war? Pass. But stopping bombing and arms sales would be good first moves.
Dole money given to dirty traitors by people like you, mosques in europe that have been recruiting grounds protected by that dirty traitor jeremy Corbyn . remember finsbury park mosque the leader of the labour party did a all night vigil outside there recently . That mosque was linked to the sort of people who recruit for isis as well as domestic terrorism and plans for mass murder in the uk .biffvernon wrote:Ah yes, Daesh. Now remind me, how did that get going?kenneal - lagger wrote:That would probably result in Daesh wining a large area of land and using it as a base to spread Jihad to the West; their publicly declared aim. Instead of stopping the war it would probably result in the extension of war to a large part of the world.biffvernon wrote:.........How do we stop the war? Pass. But stopping bombing and arms sales would be good first moves.
Well Ive debated british muslims years before isis was set up that wanted something as nasty as isis, I think a large part of the ideology comes from people living in the west and protected by domestic non muslim traitorsjohnhemming2 wrote:The Ottoman Empire was a caliphate. There have been lots of caliphates, but generally not as awful as Daesh.jonny2mad wrote:you had people talking about setting up a caliphate for decades,
It doesn't matter how the f*** it got going! It's what we do about it now that counts. Bleating on about who started the war isn't going to finish it. Hitler had to be beaten militarily or do you think we should have rolled over and let him take over the whole Europe and kill a few million more Jews? Ask that of the Palestinians and they would probably say "Yes." Daesh is doing something similar in the Middle East if you hadn't noticed.biffvernon wrote:Ah yes, Daesh. Now remind me, how did that get going?kenneal - lagger wrote:That would probably result in Daesh wining a large area of land and using it as a base to spread Jihad to the West; their publicly declared aim. Instead of stopping the war it would probably result in the extension of war to a large part of the world.biffvernon wrote:.........How do we stop the war? Pass. But stopping bombing and arms sales would be good first moves.
