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PS_RalphW wrote: The sea surface temperatures remain high, and with a strong El Nino we could see a relatively slow refreeze.

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I suspect El Nino had something to do with this,
Sea surface temps are all relative to historic means of course but I don't see any signs of a "slow" refreeze.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/satellite/index.uk.php
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http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
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The latest storm to pass by the UK has headed straight up to the north pole and has triggered a big jump in average 80+N temperatures of 15C in just one day.

The pulse of relative heat is due to last for up to 6 days.

This is a direct result of the current el nino It is going to slow the refreeze , with extent currently second lowest for the time of year, but it is not clear how much longer term impact it will have on the ice.

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
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PS_RalphW wrote:The latest storm to pass by the UK has headed straight up to the north pole and has triggered a big jump in average 80+N temperatures of 15C in just one day.

The pulse of relative heat is due to last for up to 6 days.

This is a direct result of the current el nino It is going to slow the refreeze , with extent currently second lowest for the time of year, but it is not clear how much longer term impact it will have on the ice.

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
Look at the archives for 1959, 1964, 1965 and 1966. A short temp spike is not unprecedented.
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There are predictions that this year the temperature over the next three days will reach 275K and that will be unprecedented! We'll just have to wait and see.
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kenneal - lagger wrote:There are predictions that this year the temperature over the next three days will reach 275K and that will be unprecedented! We'll just have to wait and see.
Where is this supposed to be? Why suddenly use Kelvin as the scale? (If indeed that is what is the case).
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johnhemming2 wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote:There are predictions that this year the temperature over the next three days will reach 275K and that will be unprecedented! We'll just have to wait and see.
Where is this supposed to be? Why suddenly use Kelvin as the scale? (If indeed that is what is the case).
In the Danish site linked to above. It has always been in Kelvin with a clear marking of where 0 C. is.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
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275K is 2C. The predicted location is the north pole, the time is middle of winter. Ice melting at the North pole in January would be unprecedented, even if only briefly.
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The site linked to does not predict 2C for January.

What it actually shows is that the pattern of temperatures throughout the year has been quite similar, but peaks above 0C during the summer.

I have had a rummage for a weather map covering the North Pole, but not found anything and am about to go out.

It does appear that northern norway is around 0C at the moment which is warmer than I would expect. However, moving out a few days it goes below freezing point.
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johnhemming2 wrote:The site linked to does not predict 2C for January.

What it actually shows is that the pattern of temperatures throughout the year has been quite similar, but peaks above 0C during the summer.

I have had a rummage for a weather map covering the North Pole, but not found anything and am about to go out.

It does appear that northern norway is around 0C at the moment which is warmer than I would expect. However, moving out a few days it goes below freezing point.
We are looking at two sites. One that predicts a major storm that might (By now would have) bring temperatures at the pole above 0 deg. C and the other DMI site that monitors temps in the Arctic and has for years for reference. An unbiased trusted source if you will. The DMI site might not report temps as high are predicted as they average all the area above 80 degrees North latitude so colder weather along the Canadian and Alaskan coasts will cancel out a tongue of warm air that shoots up between Iceland and Svalbard. They would not have recorded it in past years either so comparing the plot we get with past years will show a valid comparison.
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Fair point. What is happening in Greenland?
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It was warmer in Svalbard today than in Lincolnshire! About 20°C above normal.
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thats not Greenland,
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johnhemming2 wrote:Fair point. What is happening in Greenland?
Thule Greenland is at -29C at 00:58 UTC
http://www.athropolis.com/map2.htm
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johnhemming2 wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote:There are predictions that this year the temperature over the next three days will reach 275K and that will be unprecedented! We'll just have to wait and see.
Where is this supposed to be? Why suddenly use Kelvin as the scale? (If indeed that is what is the case).
This is the website that I got the predictions from. He is a well respected weather and climate change blogger.
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