flood watch

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 06 Dec 2015, 19:55

George Monbiot was on the local news a couple of months ago about how ecologically desolate the lake district has become due to sheep and modern farming practices'. With the problem of allowing rain water to quickly flow to lower ground.

I've been increasingly noticing too how quickly farm fields become flooded. Even with comparitively little rain.

Its like everything else in this country. The longterm isn't considered, because there's too many individuals with short-term needs.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 06 Dec 2015, 21:15

clv101 wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote:Sea levels could rise by as much as a couple of meters in a decade according to Andrea Dutton, a geochemist at the University of Florida and one of the co-authors of a study mentioned in this article

“There are some recent modeling efforts that now show you could get a section of the Antarctic ice sheet, several meters worth of sea level rise, to go in a decade. We used to think it was centuries.”
Just to be clear, 'we' absolutely still do think several metres of sea level rise takes centuries not a decade.

Then if you consider the amount of growth in human knowledge between 1916 and 2016 don't you think good solutions may well appear well before that happens? I certainly think the human population will have peaked and markedly declined by 2016 one way or the other and practical alternatives to fossil fuels will old news by then.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 07 Dec 2015, 10:19

clv101 wrote:Definitely a record, this is the first year we've ever had named storms.

Yeah, names popular in Ireland and, of course, Ireland gets them before Britain. Who's naming them?

Dessie was a belter, building up Friday, then becoming frightening on Saturday, followed by an absolute dry calm on Sunday. That must have been its eye, as today (Monday) is extremely windy again.

People are complaining about flood defences failing, forgetting that most defences are alleviation, not prevention. Prevention requires a totally different plan.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 07 Dec 2015, 10:24

AutomaticEarth wrote:Surely, the cost of insurance must go through the roof, and would then be a reason to leave??

I know several people without flood insurance, for obvious reasons. Yet they still live where they live. We're all optimists in one way or another.

One guy on the radio this morning described how Saturday's storm Desmond flooded his house, compared to when it got flooded in 2009.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 07 Dec 2015, 14:20

Here's Tom Pride's angle.

Post by **adam2** » 22 Dec 2015, 17:39

Flooding returns to many areas previously affected with many properties flooded for the third time this month.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-35159816

Flooding has of course occurred before anyone had heard of global warming, but the increased frequency and severity of flooding is more evidence of climate change.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 24 Dec 2015, 06:34

Here is a really stupid development proposal, the clue is in the name, Lincolnshire Lakes, a £1.2 billion, 6000 home development on the west side of Scunthorpe in a Zone 3 flood area, the worst area for flooding possible. It is also in an area which is vulnerable to flooding with only a 2 metre sea level rise, so, according to Hanson anyway, later this century!

It was proposed under the previous Labour controlled council but has been approved by this government and is to be built with part government funding for flood defences with the rest being paid for by the local authority.

You and I will pick up the bill for the flood restitution measures through our increased home insurance bills and, on the basis of the Cumbria floods, a government taxpayer funded payout!

In view of the recent flooding and the Paris acceptance of at least 1.5 deg C temperature increase, which will lock in current ice cap melting, an absolutely stupid scheme!

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 11 Jan 2016, 17:02

Environment agency chief resigns over handling of floods.

Hard to blame the agency staff when their budgets get cut year on year and they are constantly fighting last year's weather. (Remember the Somerset Levels floods , where they were blamed for sacrificing farmland over urban defences? )

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 11 Jan 2016, 18:43

I tend to have a lot of sympathy for the EA but Philip Dilley is a board member of Grosvenor, the private company solely owned by Gerald Grosvenor, Duke of Westminster. For the Chair of the EA to be a board member of a company dedicated to maintaining the grouse moors of the Forest of Bowland is a conflict of interest too far.

#Floods Let's plan for the real future http://biffvernon.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/to-2c.html

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 13 Jan 2016, 21:28

He was also flying. One should lead by example.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Jan 2016, 22:38

Yes, I never blamed him for having a holiday. He just should have sailed there and back.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 14 Jan 2016, 02:16

biffvernon wrote:He just should have sailed there and back.

He would probably have achieved just as much. If he was any good all the emergency systems would have been in place and tried and tested long before he went. Him being there is just a sop to local opinion.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 14 Jan 2016, 09:48

Indeed. The media and public are very silly. The real story is that he is on the board of Grosvenor, the Duke of Westminster's grouse shooting outfit.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 20 Apr 2016, 17:30

Hello Houston, you have a problem.

BritDownUnder · Post by **BritDownUnder** » 20 Apr 2016, 21:13

I like the fact that some of the car lights are still working even while underwater. The resilience of 12V DC electrical systems.