Migrant watch (merged topic)

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 05 Dec 2015, 09:47

I'd agree with you it was a bad headline and they shouldnt have run it

3rdRock · Post by **3rdRock** » 05 Dec 2015, 13:53

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/d ... -civil-war

Anti-Muslim prejudice ‘is moving to the mainstream’.

Report warns of rapid growth of far-right groups that plan to provoke a ‘cultural civil war’.

Happy now?

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 05 Dec 2015, 15:15

3rdRock wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/d ... -civil-war

Anti-Muslim prejudice ‘is moving to the mainstream’.

Report warns of rapid growth of far-right groups that plan to provoke a ‘cultural civil war’.
Happy now?

Not much point in posting that in two different threads, 3rd Rock.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 08 Dec 2015, 04:14

3rdRock wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/d ... -civil-war

Anti-Muslim prejudice ‘is moving to the mainstream’.

Report warns of rapid growth of far-right groups that plan to provoke a ‘cultural civil war’.
Happy now?

we already have a cultural and a one sided civil war going on

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 08 Dec 2015, 13:31

Here's Norway's solution:-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 63496.html

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 08 Dec 2015, 14:10

AutomaticEarth wrote:Here's Norway's solution:-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 63496.html

Worth fleeing for!

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 08 Dec 2015, 18:25

How much does it cost them to get there to get the money to go back. Not a very good hourly rate I would think!

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 08 Dec 2015, 19:34

Just got this message from a friend of mine:

Calais. The most difficult so far. Lots of the residents of the camp asking me for advice about how to get to the UK (legally or illegally), or whether they should apply elsewhere - which of course I couldn't answer. Complete lack of information available about what their rights are, what would happen if they applied for asylum in France, or how to get to other countries. Came upon one man who had arrived today and was absolutely soaked to the bone. He was desperate for a change of clothes but at that time in the afternoon there was nothing I could get for him. I took him to a "community wellbeing centre" set up in the camp six weeks ago where at least he could take off his clothes to dry and warm up on front of a fire, while the woman who runs the centre went out in search of a tent for him. There was a delivery of firewood to the centre that afternoon which I helped to distribute to a couple of communal fires. At one of them, I saw a man sitting with his bare feet on a towel in the mud while he tried to dry his shoes over the fire. I also met a young man from Afghanistan at the centre who had lived in the UK from age 16 after his mother, father, brother and sister had all been killed in a bombing, but was deported once he reached 19. On return to his home country, he was kidnapped for ransom. He has been in the camp for 26 days and is trying to get back to the UK where he had friends. I also tried to help a young man who was suffering from a terrible tooth ache. The MSF clinic is still closed after a break in earlier in the week. All I could suggest was to go to the women and children's centre (obviously not for men) to ask if they had any pain killers. Good news is that the Ashram Kitchen, where they serve a hot meal every day, was opened up again.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 09 Dec 2015, 06:55

My friend is asking for your help:
https://mydonate.bt.com/fundraisers/alicekyoung

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 09 Dec 2015, 15:29

Bloody hell.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35048796

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 09 Dec 2015, 15:50

Good cartoon in the Independent...

http://www.independent.co.uk/#gallery

You need to scroll down to see Marine Le Pen injecting Nigel Farage.....

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 09 Dec 2015, 17:31

AutomaticEarth wrote:Bloody hell.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35048796

Seems strange to vote someone "Person of the Year" for standing up to the person who is your runner up!!

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 10 Dec 2015, 15:30

AutomaticEarth wrote:Bloody hell.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35048796

You only have to look at who was third-placed to really LOL...

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 10 Dec 2015, 17:31

The whole bloody thing is ridiculous from beginning to end, which ever way you look at it!

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Dec 2015, 13:41

Billy Bragg wrote: As David Cameron moves the goalposts on his EU negotiations, the whole process is starting to look like a desperate attempt to do something - anything - about migration. Despite the Tories promise to cut immigration to the UK to just 100,000 per year, the recent annual total topped 300,000.
Some people assume that migrants come to the UK because our benefit system is so generous, yet were that true, then the savage cuts that the Tories have wrought over the past few years should have acted as a deterrent. Instead, migration to the UK is at an all time high.
To assume migrants will no longer come to the UK if they are denied state benefits is to misunderstand what drives people to leave their homes. The real benefits of living in the UK are much more important to migrants than the monthly dole from the DWP.
Firstly, there's work in the UK for people who don't mind doing the jobs that the native population no longer want to do. Secondly, there's our language. If your children can speak English fluently, then a whole world of opportunity is open to them.
Finally and most importantly, we are fortunate to live in a peaceful, relatively cohesive country with a functioning infrastructure that doesn't rely on bribery or oppression, where there are enough generous souls to ensure that, even in the worse of times, nobody starves.
As long as these conditions prevail, them people from places where there are no jobs, no opportunities, no infrastructure and no justice are going to keep turning up on our doorstep, no matter how high we build the obstacles. The only real deterrent would be for our society to fall apart so that living here is not any better than where they came from.
Nobody is suggesting that, but to imagine that our benefits system is the big attraction, as Cameron seems to believe, is to misunderstand why people risk their lives to cross the continents in search of a better life for their children.