Migrant watch (merged topic)

[UndercoverElephant]

It doesn't work anything like that in the UK because there are so relatively few new neighbourhoods. To put this in perspective - I have lived in a total of 14 houses/flats during my lifetime (I'm 47). Of these, only 2 were built in the 20th century. The other 12 were all Victorian, built between 1840 and 1890. How many properties in the United States predate the 20th century? Not many, I'm guessing.

[vtsnowedin]

It doesn't work anything like that in the UK because there are so relatively few new neighbourhoods. To put this in perspective - I have lived in a total of 14 houses/flats during my lifetime (I'm 47). Of these, only 2 were built in the 20th century. The other 12 were all Victorian, built between 1840 and 1890. How many properties in the United States predate the 20th century? Not many, I'm guessing.

In the New England states quite a few actually. The house I grew up in was built about 1800 but it was poorly sited in relation to the town road that served it and had other issues so I sold it's post and beam frame and moved back from the road and built new in 1983. Most of the main street houses in my town were built before the US civil war 1861 to 1865.
The age and condition of the housing is but one factor. You can renovate and upgrade as often as necessary as long as the location is desirable from a jobs and culture standpoint. It just becomes futile to upgrade and maintain your house if the one next door has become a crack den.

[kenneal - lagger]

It doesn't work anything like that in the UK because there are so relatively few new neighbourhoods. To put this in perspective - I have lived in a total of 14 houses/flats during my lifetime (I'm 47). Of these, only 2 were built in the 20th century. The other 12 were all Victorian, built between 1840 and 1890. How many properties in the United States predate the 20th century? Not many, I'm guessing.

You haven't lived in London or Basingstoke then UE, or in a 101 other towns in the country which are full of "neighbourhoods of varying ages. East London is conveyor belt of migrant communities which end up moving out to Essex. Wembley, when I lived there in the 50s and 60s, was mainly white, including some Jewish, with some Afro Caribbean but is now mainly Indian and Pakistani. Southall went from white to largely sub continental as has Bradford. Willesden is largely Afro Caribbean and when I passed through on my way to school the more affluent areas were largely Jewish. I don't know if they still are. Golders Green has a large Jewish population centred on a number of synagogues. Slough is famed for its large immigrant population in some areas. They are all neighbourhoods.

[jonny2mad]

You are basically saying the entire white population of certain urban areas are far-right in their politics,

I didn't say that at all. In fact, I don't believe that the people moving ( white flight, it has been called ) are all racists, more that they have been scared by racist propaganda and the resulting impact on the British GOD - House Prices.

Racist propoganda hmm you have a linear correlation between number of black people and murder rates in the states, even in the uk you have say in london most violent crime and gun crime commited by black males even at a point where they are the minority .

The more diverse our society is forced to become in this grand social experiment, the more violent more crime ridden, the less intelligent it will become
in america where blacks average 85 and whites 100 on IQ tests
sixteen percent of whites but only two percent of blacks have an IQ of 115 or
higher. Two percent of whites but only one out of 1,000 black persons have an
IQ of 130. One out of 1,000 whites but only one out of 300,000 black persons
has an IQ of 145 . This is in america with a very mixed race black population who are at least 25 % white. Thats your future through diversity, look at the numbers.

its like drinking toxic waste in terms of future IQ


https://www.toqonline.com/archives/v4n3 ... empler.pdf


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1mgrTGeDPM

For whites they would be better off be able to create better societys across all metrics seperately

[Catweazle]

Chinese and Asian races score higher than the 100 score you quote, there is a difference between races, I'm not denying it.

Perhaps you would like an IQ test to determine immigration decisions, or maybe even the right to vote.

Actually, you probably wouldn't like that, racist party supporters tend to score low on IQ tests.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blo ... ldemocrats

[vtsnowedin]

I am for equal rights under the law as much as anybody, but I can't say that the present practice of letting any human with a pulse vote is working all that well.
But where would you draw the line?
The traditional line was Males that owned property.Seemed to work, the country grew richer and stronger.
Perhaps we could go to those that pay taxes? Why should the welfare rats be able to vote themselves bread and circuses?
But then someone that had been paying taxes that fell on hard times would be disenfranchised just when he had a legitimate beef and want to vote the rascals out.
Tough question.

[kenneal - lagger]

... Why should the welfare rats be able to vote themselves bread and circuses?....

You really have bought the propaganda haven't you, VT. Yes there are a few people who can't look after themselves but how many of those "rats" are people like you who have been made redundant, and those who are made redundant are more likely to be made redundant again on the principle of "last in, first out"(I've know a few people who have fallen onto that conveyor through no fault of their own and it really is debilitating), had an accident or fallen ill. Those last two in your country can put you in penury for the rest of your life! How Christian is that?

The real "welfare rats" are the parasitic bankers and Wall Street gamblers, the corporation owners who live off tax breaks, the scum who exploit workers by paying less than a living wage, the corporate owners who make people redundant and send their jobs off to China then tell you that the people now claiming benefit are welfare rats! They vastly outnumber the few who are truly working the system. I thought you were more intelligent than someone who would believe such blatant propaganda!

[biffvernon]

The traditional line was Males that owned property.Seemed to work, the country grew richer and stronger.

Seemed not to work, the country polluted the planet and caused wars.

[biffvernon]

So many Brits now live abroad that they're causing immigration debates. Oh, the irony

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so- ... 23006.html

[emordnilap]

The real "welfare rats" are the parasitic bankers and Wall Street gamblers, the corporation owners who live off tax breaks, the scum who exploit workers by paying less than a living wage, the corporate owners who make people redundant and send their jobs off to China then tell you that the people now claiming benefit are welfare rats! They vastly outnumber the few who are truly working the system.

Well said Ken. Hear, hear.

We have a skewed system whereby minimal 'state aid', which could help start-ups and struggling small businesses, is frowned upon (outlawed even) by the EU whilst CAP payments by the billion and humungous handouts to 'too big to fail' corporations are positively encouraged.

[emordnilap]

So many Brits now live abroad that they're causing immigration debates. Oh, the irony

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so- ... 23006.html

Further irony - me, an ex-Brit, now an Irish citizen, living in one of the iconic countries as regards emigration.

[vtsnowedin]

... Why should the welfare rats be able to vote themselves bread and circuses?....

You really have bought the propaganda haven't you, VT. Yes there are a few people who can't look after themselves but how many of those "rats" are people like you who have been made redundant, and those who are made redundant are more likely to be made redundant again on the principle of "last in, first out"(I've know a few people who have fallen onto that conveyor through no fault of their own and it really is debilitating), had an accident or fallen ill. Those last two in your country can put you in penury for the rest of your life! How Christian is that?

The real "welfare rats" are the parasitic bankers and Wall Street gamblers, the corporation owners who live off tax breaks, the scum who exploit workers by paying less than a living wage, the corporate owners who make people redundant and send their jobs off to China then tell you that the people now claiming benefit are welfare rats! They vastly outnumber the few who are truly working the system. I thought you were more intelligent than someone who would believe such blatant propaganda!

Odd I thought I had brought out both sides of the issue and had not chosen sides. Did you not read my post all the way through?
I'm not for corporate welfare and political corruption any more then you are but that is a separate issue.
I actually know some "welfare rats" that are scheming the system because it is less work then holding a job. That is not to condemn everyone that is collecting benefits but I would like to kick out these dead beats.
But back to the main question. Will you let a flood of uneducated immigrants come into your country and become the majority of voters and let them be the rulers of your country?

[jonny2mad]

Chinese and Asian races score higher than the 100 score you quote, there is a difference between races, I'm not denying it.

Perhaps you would like an IQ test to determine immigration decisions, or maybe even the right to vote.

Actually, you probably wouldn't like that, racist party supporters tend to score low on IQ tests.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blo ... ldemocrats

Well you dodged my points on why whites in the UK move, and why they would be better off in a separate society, and why as they become less and less our society will become worse.

I think regarding voting patterns we have a society where first you don't get the information that would make you vote for these "racist" parties because the media spin is the polar opposite, and in many cases it’s illegal to state this information. You had people talking about grooming getting taken to court for example

And secondly being a "racist" is bad for your career and can get you jailed if you’re vocal. You could look at the example of prof Watson one of the two people who got the Nobel prize for discovering DNA, he said in a interview that he thought whites were most likely more intelligent than blacks on average, and this may be a factor in Africa’s development .

He was fired from his job, threatened with jail and fines and court case, and had to give a public apology, he then sold his Nobel medal, as he lost his income because of what he had said, even though what he said was true he was not allowed to defend it, thats how tightly dissent is controlled .

In lots of professions its suicide to have "racist" views, it’s not career suicide to be a silly "liberal" like biff at the moment

[AutomaticEarth]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... frica.html



Nothing stops skilled people from African countries applying for jobs - seen it plenty of times, so nothing new IMHO.

[biffvernon]

Britain will be adopting a morally unacceptable position if it turns its back on the refugee crisis in Europe, according to the United Nations special representative for international migration.

As winter weather sets in across Europe, Peter Sutherland, a former attorney general of Ireland, and chairman of the London School of Economics, said: “This is not a transient issue. It challenges the moral fabric of the societies we live in. To think, to be told, that your country can in some way isolate itself from the crisis is insane. It’s completely wrong.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/n ... ns-warning