Migrant watch (merged topic)

[kenneal - lagger]

he is more right then wrong.

Is this the opposite of more right than wrong?

[Catweazle]

What diversity means is chasing down the last white person its a codeword for white genocide which is a driving force on the left .

You really are mad, aren't you.

Unfortunately sometimes crazy people say things that are all too true.
You want J2M to be totally wrong on that point but a twist in your gut tells you that he is more right then wrong.

There is nothing in my guts telling me that socialists are actually racists who want to instigate a genocide. I have socialist leanings myself, yet no inclination to kill myself or my family.

I agree that sometimes crazy people say things that are true - the law of probability dictates it - but most times crazy people say crazy things, it's one of the defining aspects of being crazy.

[jonny2mad]

if your white and vote for people in favour of more diversity, your basically voting for people who want less of you and eventually none of you, this isnt differcult to understand.

There is no push or even discussion of doing the same thing in africa or asia so its basically genocidal racism aimed at one race of people.

Your the target your the enemy, anti racist in this context is a codeword for anti white.

That you call me mad when I am clearly right shows they have done a wonderful job on you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faNge-o0V-k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og

[UndercoverElephant]

There is no push or even discussion of doing the same thing in africa or asia

This is true of Africa. Wouldn't you agree, Biff Vernon? In fact, white people are quite clearly not wanted in Africa.

It is not true in many parts of Asia.

[vtsnowedin]

he is more right then wrong.

Is this the opposite of more right than wrong?

Grammar Nazi

[jonny2mad]

You really are mad, aren't you.

Unfortunately sometimes crazy people say things that are all too true.
You want J2M to be totally wrong on that point but a twist in your gut tells you that he is more right then wrong.

There is nothing in my guts telling me that socialists are actually racists who want to instigate a genocide. I have socialist leanings myself, yet no inclination to kill myself or my family.

I agree that sometimes crazy people say things that are true - the law of probability dictates it - but most times crazy people say crazy things, it's one of the defining aspects of being crazy.

If you watch anti racist hitler that I just posted, or if you read the united nations definition of genocide, genocide doesn't need to mean shooting people. it's putting in place a system that will get rid of a race . Which is what is happening in pretty much every white majority country . Go to london its seen as diverse, and the major partys see this as a wonderful thing, but what that means is there are less and less white people.

They have been replaced, they are seen as having no future like the dodo. You see newspaper articles about how the future population of the uk will be like brazil or north africa, if your white people like you have no future .

Now if thats not genocidal racism I don't know what is, that its a agenda thats being pushed by lots of white people as well as non white people doesn't effect that

[kenneal - lagger]

he is more right then wrong.

Is this the opposite of more right than wrong?

Grammar Nazi

I couldn't resist it VT. I've been waiting for a chance to make this point for a long time and when you wrote the almost opposite of what you meant I had to go for it!

[Catweazle]

Jonny, non-white areas are forming because people like you run a mile if they see a black face, leaving an empty house behind.

[Little John]

Jonny, non-white areas are forming because people like you run a mile if they see a black face, leaving an empty house behind.

That's not entirely fair. You are basically saying the entire white population of certain urban areas are far-right in their politics, which they are clearly not as evidenced by election results. So, whilst I would not necessarily contest the the self imposed racial segregation (by all races) you speak of, it is too simplistic to say it is due to far right political sensibilities on the part of one of those races.

[Catweazle]

You are basically saying the entire white population of certain urban areas are far-right in their politics,

I didn't say that at all. In fact, I don't believe that the people moving ( white flight, it has been called ) are all racists, more that they have been scared by racist propaganda and the resulting impact on the British GOD - House Prices.

[Little John]

You are basically saying the entire white population of certain urban areas are far-right in their politics,

I didn't say that at all. In fact, I don't believe that the people moving ( white flight, it has been called ) are all racists, more that they have been scared by racist propaganda and the resulting impact on the British GOD - House Prices.

C, I think the racial segregation that has occurred is self-imposed on all sides, for good for for bad. It is human nature to stick with what you know, like it or not. Though, to the extent that middle-class "white flight" may be observed, it could equally be argued it is really an example of "economic flight". That is to say, again for a variety of reasons, non white areas tend, for the most part, (though not comprehensively) to be relatively poorer with all of the attendant social problem that accompany relative poverty. Thus, people of greater economic means will tend to avoid such areas if they can. People of greater means tend to be predominantly white. This is just a fact. Not a comprehensive fact. But a statistically significant enough one to explain the patterns we see. In other words, much of these patterns are correlationally connected to race, not causally.

None of these facts are particularly palatable, I know. But, they are what they are.

You may also find, arguably, few white middle class people living in poor white areas for much the same reason as they don't live in poor black areas. However, people tend not to get so hot under the collar when that happens, presumably because the people who are being fled from are white and poor as opposed to black and poor and so they do not matter as much.

[johnhemming2]

There is in fact a mixture. Some of the people who move move for issues do to with xenophobia. In inner city Birmingham the more successful people who are not white often remain within the areas concerned. People like myself who happily live in a multiracial society are happy to remain in a diverse environment even though we could afford to move.

[Catweazle]

Perhaps my experience is not typical, however until recently I lived in an area with a very high Indian population, about 53% I think, and there was no racial income divide that I could see. The trades - electricians, plumbers, plasterers, painters etc., etc seemed fairly evenly represented. Perhaps there was a slight bias in favour of Indians actually owning businesses, and certainly they are more likely to be landlords.

Overall it worked just fine, I'd still be there if I could have afforded a smallholding there.

This does contrast with areas 20 miles away in London, where thousands of people are packed into tower blocks and the streets are not safe at night. The racial make-up is different, but are the problems race related or due to the overcrowding ? Or are they class related ? The London "sink estates" are full of people renting council flats, whereas in my old area the Indians worked hard to buy their own houses.

There is much more to these situations than race. Culture and education play a big part. Grammar schools are full of Indians, whereas schools with high Afro-Caribbean content often have problems. Is this race related ? Or culture related ? Or due to under-funded schools in some areas ?

I don't know.

What I do know is that the coloured / black people I have worked with have been every bit equal to the white people in every way.

[kenneal - lagger]

Non white people are about 10 to 15% of the population, if that, but when an area gets 25% or even 50% non white the white population feels culturally isolated. There are often problem in schools with the majority of children not having English as a first language so white flight happens. If the non white population was not such a high proportion there would not be such a tendency to white flight.

Some of this so called white flight is because the white population is increasing their income and move out into better accommodation leaving the poorer property to incomers. Either way you can't blame the white population for wanting to keep their cultural identity or for getting more affluent. The problem is more the migrant population wanting to keep their cultural identity and forming ghettos. It happens with all major immigrations: people like to keep to their own kind.

[vtsnowedin]

I varies by country and region of course and Vermont being one of the "whitest" states in the Union I have no first hand experience but I hear from relatives and acquaintances that live in more ethnically diverse areas that it progresses something on the lines of this.
Couples buy a home in a new development when they have got a job that will sustain the mortgage and let them start a family. Most of the neighbors are also young and in similar circumstances. They spend the next 30 years paying off the mortgage and raising their children and common schools, churches,social clubs and job opportunities keep them interacting with their neighbors.
Then when the kids are grown and move away to find work some of their neighbors move to follow their children or to planned retirement homes elsewhere. Those thirty year old homes are sold to new comers which are often minorities. The two groups do not play well together. The original occupants that are now becoming elderly see a lot of "strange" young men that are often unemployed and not above a crime or two if the opportunity presents itself. They become uncomfortable in their old neighborhood and worry about their safety. The answer is often to follow their former neighbors off to retirement communities or to move across town to a new gated community that is so pricey that no under employed people of any color can live there.
My own extended family has sold two row houses in recent years that had nine children raised in them. The new occupants are all minorities and none of the nine children would consider buying a house in those neighborhoods today even if they were not already well established elsewhere. It is not just the ethnic makeup of the neighborhoods it is also the fact that the factory jobs that brought the grand parents and parents into the community have faded away and the now college educated children have gone where the new jobs are.