Migrant watch (merged topic)

[clv101]

I have no intentional of reading any drivel written by that appalling excuse for a woman. She has destroyed the credibility of the Green Party.

That's an interesting point of view seeing as the Green Party just had their most successful election result and has more members than ever before. You could say Clegg has destroyed the credibility of the Liberal Democrats.

I don't think Bennett's been a great leader and I suspect much of the party's success is in spite of her rather than because - but the party's credibility is not destroyed.

[Little John]

Yes, but the point is this credibility will not last with ordinary working class voters as their lives get harder. At some point in the not too distant future, any party still putting out a message of lax border controls/unlimited immigration will be finished. You or I can like that or dislike that but our feelings will be utterly irrelevant.

If you accept the above to be as inevitable as I do, then it logically follows that whatever political stripe of the party leading this country in, say 10 years from now, it will be a party that has a radically different attitude to border controls than is currently the case in mainstream liberal politics. The only question that remains, then, is which stripe of political party do you prefer to be in charge of that difficult future? The left or the right? For me, the answer is easy.

The left have got to get their shit together on this or the left is finished and I, for one, am filled with despair at that prospect.

[UndercoverElephant]

I have no intentional of reading any drivel written by that appalling excuse for a woman. She has destroyed the credibility of the Green Party.

That's an interesting point of view seeing as the Green Party just had their most successful election result and has more members than ever before. You could say Clegg has destroyed the credibility of the Liberal Democrats.

I don't think Bennett's been a great leader and I suspect much of the party's success is in spite of her rather than because - but the party's credibility is not destroyed.

OK. She's destroyed her own credibility and the Green Party has done well in spite of her. I'll agree with that.

I think the Green Party have benefited from a much more widespread anti-establishment mood, as have the SNP, UKIP and others. A lot of people seem to have reached the point where they'll consider voting for anybody, provided they aren't Labour, Tory or LibDem.

Natalie Bennett has alienated me in a way that no previous Green Party leader has done before. She drives me up the wall.

[UndercoverElephant]

Yes, but the point is this credibility will not last with ordinary working class voters as their lives get harder.

Yeah, but hardly any of the working class vote green anyway. They are more likely to vote Labour, SNP or UKIP.

At some point in the not too distant future, any party still putting out a message of lax border controls/unlimited immigration will be finished.

Yes, and we're seeing the last serious resistance to this reality crumbling in Germany right now. Angela Merkel is losing the argument, and once it is lost in Germany then it is effectively lost all over Europe. Questions like "should we let them in?" or "how many should we let in?" are going to be replaced with "how best can we ensure they are kept out?".

The real problem, at least from my point of view, is how on earth the Green Movement is supposed to gain any traction while idiots like Biff Vernon continue to make it look ridiculously detached from reality.

But I'm preaching to the converted here...

The left have got to get their shit together on this...

Yep.

Although I have a creeping suspicion that the UK will vote to leave the EU in the referendum, and the consequences for the whole of British and European politics might be quite profound. I think it is very hard to predict what might happen.

[Little John]

I'd perhaps quibble about the idea of few of the working class voting for Green. I do agree, vis a vis the poorest and least educated working class, yes. But, then, they tend not to vote for anyone. As for the better educated working class, growing numbers of them, at least in my town, voted Green at the last election. However, I don't see that lasting with the kinds of noises about immigration coming from Natalie Bennett.

I think we are in a transitional stage where everything is in flux, politically speaking. When various crises hit, people are and will initially retreat to their own prejudices, be they liberal or otherwise. But, as these crises deepen and the consequent political tensions rise to breaking point, there will come a moment of punctuated equilibrium where, it will appear, that there is a sudden political movement coming out of nowhere. Of course, though, it won't have come from nowhere.

Corbyn, UKIP, the Greens; they are just the preliminary tremors of that punctuated equilibrium.in the political landscape.

[fuzzy]

I have no intentional of reading any drivel written by that appalling excuse for a woman. She has destroyed the credibility of the Green Party.

That's an interesting point of view seeing as the Green Party just had their most successful election result and has more members than ever before. You could say Clegg has destroyed the credibility of the Liberal Democrats.

I don't think Bennett's been a great leader and I suspect much of the party's success is in spite of her rather than because - but the party's credibility is not destroyed.

She is a great leader in the way that Tony Liar was a 'great leader' - the CEO of a marketing machine. NatB chasing the mumsnet vote will note do anything for the planet. If the greens could get the core issues right I would be a lifelong supporter.

[jonny2mad]

The left wont get its act together because for decades the left has seen its core electorate as non white, gay, and anti western.

if your white working class your seen as secondclass and something to be replaced .

The conservatives and liberals are going much the same way.

I think you have a broken response from the white working class, some of them will still support mass immigration, like they still support the labour party that hates them .

If you doubt what I say look at the way grooming was covered up and still is being covered up,would the left have done the same if the victims were british muslims or chinese, nah thats shows their hatred towards you if your white

you have some white working class people who have woken up but the majority haven't, the powers that be are hoping they can change demographics enough so it wont matter if at some point they do wake up .

if you have enough third world people in the uk you wont get strong borders even if at that time the white working class want it .

You are likely to get political violence genocide and civil war though.

if you look at germany or the rest of europe your begining to see acts of violence, because when you stop politics and peaceful means the only response you will get is violence .

I think anders breivik was a early example of the sort of political violence your going to see .

I dont see all of the white working class as supporting this, at the moment you have lots of the white working class that support migrants this will actually make the violence far worse and factional

[jonny2mad]

http://newobserveronline.com/record-num ... -patriots/

http://newobserveronline.com/335-attack ... ts-police/

You also have masked armed men attacking migrant boats, this is all smallish scale but a organic non governmental response to invasion. By people who see their government as the problem and people supporting "migrants" as traitors .

They feel the democratic system is rigged against them and controlled by people plotting their destruction

[fuzzy]

Civil unrest in the UK is unlikely. We have evolved to put up with 1000 years of Norman rule. Weapons are all but illegal, and we have the highest civil surveillance level anywhere. It's about 40 miles to our nearest full time cop shop and the filth would rather fly around in choppers or cruise in German cars than actually help civilians. I suspect they will send a drone soon if you report anything.

[jonny2mad]

http://newobserveronline.com/german-med ... r-centers/ 580 attacks happened in germany so far this year and most of the people dont have links to any far right group, so individual lone wolf attacks. Two thirds of the attacks from people who have no criminal record, you even have young firemen doing attacks .

And remember now this is in a country where all the media is pushing people to be happy about their replacement, and attacks and jails people for protesting.

[jonny2mad]

hmmm remember the riots we had a couple of years ago, I think civil unrest is very likely

Drugs are illegal doesn't stop people from using them in this highly controlled country.

if people wanted to get armed they could, if they want to start killing each other I dont think the state could stop them .

Look at afghanistan, if a afghan can make arms in a cave people could do the same in europe. mostly they don't because they dont have the motivation.

if you look at what I said about germany people with no links to the far right and no criminal record doing attacks 1.4 attacks a day, that to me seems like the begining of people starting to get the motivation.

Thats dangerous to the state far more dangerous that the usual far right people

[UndercoverElephant]

The left wont get its act together because for decades the left has seen its core electorate as non white, gay, and anti western.

No. It might look that way, but that is because some non-white, gay and feminist activists on the left are very vocal. Some of them are also anti white male, especially among the feminists, who are in reality female supremacists and have become so obnoxious that they have provoked a major anti-feminist backlash. And women form a subtantial component of the backlash.

But don't get that mixed up with "the left", because there is more to the left than that.

[AutomaticEarth]

Polish football fans showing their support for immigration into Europe (not):-

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5cd_1446 ... kcJ1vix.99

Of course, with the amount of Polish emigrating and living abroad you could of course say this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black....

[jonny2mad]

The left wont get its act together because for decades the left has seen its core electorate as non white, gay, and anti western.

No. It might look that way, but that is because some non-white, gay and feminist activists on the left are very vocal. Some of them are also anti white male, especially among the feminists, who are in reality female supremacists and have become so obnoxious that they have provoked a major anti-feminist backlash. And women form a subtantial component of the backlash.

But don't get that mixed up with "the left", because there is more to the left than that.

The left is obsessed with diversity and what that means is when you say we need more diversity say in a company you need less whites, and when they talk about we have a very diverse college or school theres very few white children left there .

What diversity means is chasing down the last white person its a codeword for white genocide which is a driving force on the left .

Theres no drive to make japan more diverse, or africa more diverse, africa is far less racially diverse than it used to be, you basically have a anti white genocidal scam going on.

[vtsnowedin]

What diversity means is chasing down the last white person its a codeword for white genocide which is a driving force on the left .

You really are mad, aren't you.

Unfortunately sometimes crazy people say things that are all too true.
You want J2M to be totally wrong on that point but a twist in your gut tells you that he is more right then wrong.