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:shock: I had a conversation with a no borders guy who was at glasto 2000 I mentioned I helped take down the fence and he seemed happy about that, and I said well I've regreted doing that ever since the place was dangerous and they needed a mega fence after that. And we have borders here otherwise the whole event wouldnt happen thats the same with countrys it would be a total disaster .

His response was well yes it doesnt work, but its more about the no borders of the mind and having a social conscience

:shock: :shock: :shock: I have no idea whats hes talking about and doubt he does :D
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I don't know what's more depressing, the plight of the blokes or the bear.
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clv101 wrote:I don't know what's more depressing, the plight of the blokes or the bear.
They're equally depressing. Symptoms of a maladjusted world.
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clv101 wrote:I don't know what's more depressing, the plight of the blokes or the bear.
Well the bear was en route to a large wild life park where it has a good chance of living a longer and happier life than it would in the defrosting arctic.

The people presumably hope for a happier life.
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Oh the irony!
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clv101 wrote:I don't know what's more depressing, the plight of the blokes or the bear.
The most depressing part is the comments from Sun "readers" :cry:
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Ha, I didn't get as far as the comments! I won't bother.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34556682
Hungary has closed its border with Croatia in an effort to stem the flow of migrants through the country en route to western Europe.

Croatia said it would begin directing migrants to Slovenia instead.
Now it is just a matter of time, and probably not much time, before Slovenia is forced to close its border to Croatia too. When that happens, the land route through the Balkans will be completely blocked, forcing migrants to choose between the sea crossing to Greece, or attempting a passage through Romania and Ukraine.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34561531
A leading candidate in Cologne's mayoral race has been stabbed in the neck by a man claiming to be angry over the country's refugee policies.

Henriette Reker - an independent candidate supported by Chancellor Angela Merkel's CDU party - was seriously injured along with an aide. Three others suffered minor injuries.
Expect more of this until the idiots learn their lesson.
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Absolutely.

Except for the bit about politicians not being the ones who are going to get murdered, apparently.
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The bishops’ letter to David Cameron:
Dear prime minister,

Like you, your government and the people of our nation, we are deeply concerned for the refugee crisis that we have to face together. We are grateful to you and your ministers for the conversations they have already held with the archbishop of Canterbury and others around these issues.

We pray for the millions of people fleeing war and violence in one of the largest refugee crises ever recorded, and we remember those who have tragically died seeking sanctuary on European shores: those like Alan Kurdi, the three-year-old boy who heartbreakingly died and was washed up on a beach in Turkey.

It is a command in Judaism to “welcome and love the stranger as you would yourself because you were strangers in the land of Egypt”. Followers of Islam are obliged to provide food, shelter and safety to the traveller. Christ himself and his family were refugees at one point.

We are reminded that in the crypt of Canterbury cathedral there is a 17th-century notice which pays tribute to “the large and liberal spirit of the English church and the glorious asylum which England has in all times given to foreigners flying for refuge against oppression and tyranny”.

Such traditions and prayers must be joined with action. A moral crisis of this magnitude calls each and all of us to play our parts. We recognise and applaud the leadership you and your government are showing in this crisis, both as one of the world’s top international donors and in the recent announcement that the government will resettle 20,000 people over the next five years.

We stand ready to play our part as well. We will:

1. Encourage our church members to work alongside the wider community in offering support to all refugees who come.

2. Encourage, where possible and feasible, churches, congregations and individuals to make rental properties and spare housing available for use by resettled refugees.

3. Promote and support foster-caring among churches, congregations and individuals where appropriate to help find the homes needed to care for the increasing number of unaccompanied minors.

4. Pray for, act with and stand alongside your government, to rise to the challenge that this crisis poses to our shared humanity.

From what we see in congregations across the United Kingdom we are confident that the country stands ready and willing to support the government to be even more ambitious as it responds to this historic crisis.

We believe such is this country’s great tradition of sanctuary and generosity of spirit that we could feasibly resettle at least 10,000 people a year for the next two years, rising to a minimum of 50,000 in total over the five-year period you foresaw in your announcement. Such a number would bring us into line with comparable commitments made by other countries. It would be a meaningful and substantial response to the scale of human suffering we see daily.

We believe that should a National Welcome and Resettlement Board be established in response to the crisis, drawing together civic, corporate and government leadership to coordinate efforts and mobilise the nation as in times past, such an effort would not be beyond the British people. A senior bishop would gladly serve on such a board on our behalf and at your pleasure.

This letter is written to you privately at present. The College of Bishops meets in Oxford next week and will spend some time considering our practical response. If you were able to respond to me ahead of that date it would help our discussions.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34567247
Slovenia will only allow 2,500 migrants to cross its borders daily - half the number neighbour Croatia has asked for.

Interior Ministry Secretary of State Bostjan Sefic said Slovenia could not accept Croatia's request to take 5,000, because Austria's daily limit is 1,500.
Only a matter of time before it is zero. Germany will be forced to close its borders soon enough because of massive internal resistance to Angela Merkel's suicidal and insane policy.
But whatever the statistics, the Croatian authorities say they are worried that people are no longer moving through their country quickly enough. A government official told the BBC that Croatia could run out of room in its transit camps within days.
In which case the Croats have a major problem, because their border with Bosnia and Serbia is almost impossible to seal.
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