Is it really hard to fathom why many people despise the US?

tpals · Post by **tpals** » 17 Sep 2015, 00:59

UndercoverElephant wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34266389

Ahmed Mohamed, 14, arrested over clock mistaken for bomb

[snip]

The Dallas paper said he was led out in handcuffs, put into juvenile detention and fingerprinted.

Police spokesman James McLellan said that, throughout the interview, Ahmed had maintained that he built only a clock.

The school has not commented on the case, but issued a statement saying it "always ask our students and staff to immediately report if they observe any suspicious items".
Only in Amerika.

How much intelligence does it take to work out that a clock is not a bomb? As in...you look at it, note that there aren't any explosives and conclude that it is, in fact, a clock.

It's the same type of person as the woman who called the police because of an inflatable 'tommy gun' that she saw on Halloween.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 19 Sep 2015, 23:37

UndercoverElephant wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34266389

Ahmed Mohamed, 14, arrested over clock mistaken for bomb

[snip]

The Dallas paper said he was led out in handcuffs, put into juvenile detention and fingerprinted.

Police spokesman James McLellan said that, throughout the interview, Ahmed had maintained that he built only a clock.

The school has not commented on the case, but issued a statement saying it "always ask our students and staff to immediately report if they observe any suspicious items".
Only in Amerika.

How much intelligence does it take to work out that a clock is not a bomb? As in...you look at it, note that there aren't any explosives and conclude that it is, in fact, a clock.

I would not jump on that so much. Every real bomb has some kind of device in it to set it off at the desired time. Cell phones are common today but traditional bombs often had a clock in them to set them off "on time". Considering that plastic explosives such as C4 can be molded into any shape and disguised as some normal inoffensive object seeing clock parts in a case might be your best clue as to what you are looking at. Only in the movies are bombs made of a bundle of sticks marked dynamite with a sputtering fuse or a counting down digital clock taped to the end.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 20 Sep 2015, 13:31

Didn't the President invite him to tea or something?

I think one has to choose carefully which parts of the USA to despise: not all of it!

The 'baddies' in my stories are (nearly all) American btw, but you may be pleased to hear that so are some of the good guys

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 24 Sep 2015, 17:53

Pope's call to Congress to abolish death penalty

A total of 1,414 prisoners have been executed in the US since the modern death penalty started in 1976

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/s ... th-penalty

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 25 Sep 2015, 18:16

They don't seem to learn.

http://presstv.ir/Detail/2015/09/25/430 ... leDelaware

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 01 Oct 2015, 22:04

Another shooting in the US:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -live.html

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 02 Oct 2015, 08:26

AutomaticEarth wrote:Another shooting in the US:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -live.html

The US is the single most f*cked up nation in the world, culturally, bar none. Worse than North Korea, worse than Saudi Arabia, worse than Somalia. The issue of gun control laws, and the response the US media and public to it, shows why. Exactly as Obama points out in his speech, the response of the brainwashed in the US will be that events like this simply demonstrate the need for gun ownership and that guns make their society safer, regardless of the fact that, looked at objectively, such a claim is akin to saying that gravity makes things fall upwards. Yet they really, truly believe it. They also believe that when people like myself accuse the US of being f*cked up, we are actually motivated by jealousy of their "freedom" and "quality of life."

I am so glad I never have to set foot in that country ever again.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 02 Oct 2015, 11:38

UndercoverElephant wrote: Worse than North Korea, worse than Saudi Arabia, worse than Somalia.

I am so glad I never have to set foot in that country ever again.

Really? North Korea?
I'm OK with that last part.

tpals · Post by **tpals** » 02 Oct 2015, 12:06

UndercoverElephant wrote: They also believe that when people like myself accuse the US of being f*cked up, we are actually motivated by jealousy of their "freedom" and "quality of life."

I am so glad I never have to set foot in that country ever again.

Er, no. I just think you don't like the US. That's okay. I wouldn't want to live in the UK.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 03 Oct 2015, 19:07

Put #MSF or #Kunduz into twitter and see how empathy for the USA has drained down the vortex of oblivion.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 03 Oct 2015, 20:59

What the USA's government has today called "collateral damage".

Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) nurse Lajos Zoltan Jecs was in Kunduz trauma hospital when the facility was struck by a series of aerial bombing raids in the early hours of Saturday morning. He describes his experience:

“It was absolutely terrifying.

I was sleeping in our safe room in the hospital. At around 2am, I was woken up by the sound of a big explosion nearby. At first I didn't know what was going on. Over the past week we'd heard bombings and explosions before, but always further away. This one was different, close and loud.

At first there was confusion, and dust settling. As we were trying to work out what was happening, there was more bombing.

After 20 or 30 minutes, I heard someone calling my name. It was one of the Emergency Room nurses. He staggered in with massive trauma to his arm. He was covered in blood, with wounds all over his body.

At that point my brain just couldn't understand what was happening. For a second I was just stood still, shocked.

He was calling for help. In the safe room, we have a limited supply of basic medical essentials, but there was no morphine to stop his pain. We did what we could.

I don't know exactly how long, but it was maybe half an hour afterwards that they stopped bombing. I went out with the project coordinator to see what had happened.

What we saw was the hospital destroyed, burning. I don’t know what I felt, just shock again.

We went to look for survivors. A few had already made it to one of the safe rooms. One by one, people started appearing, wounded, including some of our colleagues and caretakers of patients.

We tried to take a look into one of the burning buildings. I cannot describe what was inside. There are no words for how terrible it was. In the Intensive Care Unit six patients were burning in their beds.

We looked for some staff that were supposed to be in the operating theater. It was awful. A patient there on the operating table, dead, in the middle of the destruction. We couldn't find our staff. Thankfully we later found that they had run out from the operating theater and had found a safe place.

Just nearby, we had a look in the inpatient department. Luckily untouched by the bombing. We quickly checked that everyone was OK. And in a safe bunker next door, also everyone inside was OK.

And then back to the office. Full, patients, wounded, crying out, everywhere.

It was crazy. We had to organize a mass casualty plan in the office, seeing which doctors were alive and available to help. We did an urgent surgery for one of our doctors. Unfortunately he died there on the office table. We did our best, but it wasn't enough.

The whole situation was very hard. We saw our colleagues dying. Our pharmacist...I was just talking to him last night and planning the stocks, and then he died there in our office.

The first moments were just chaos. Enough staff had survived, so we could help all the wounded with treatable wounds. But there were too many that we couldn't help. Somehow, everything was very clear. We just treated the people that needed treatment, and didn't make decisions. How could we make decisions in that sort of fear and chaos?

Some of my colleagues were in too much shock, crying and crying. I tried to encourage some of the staff to help, to give them something to concentrate on, to take their minds off the horror. But some were just too shocked to do anything. Seeing adult men, your friends, crying uncontrollably—that is not easy.

I have been working here since May, and I have seen a lot of heavy medical situations. But it is a totally different story when they are your colleagues, your friends.

These are people who had been working hard for months, non-stop for the past week. They had not gone home, they had not seen their families, they had just been working in the hospital to help people... and now they are dead. These people are friends, close friends. I have no words to express this. It is unspeakable.

The hospital, it has been my workplace and home for several months. Yes, it is just a building. But it is so much more than that. It is healthcare for Kunduz. Now it is gone.

What is in my heart since this morning is that this is completely unacceptable. How can this happen? What is the benefit of this? Destroying a hospital and so many lives, for nothing. I cannot find words for this.”

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 03 Oct 2015, 22:07

There are no words for this. The American people, collectively, should hang their heads in unspeakable shame. It is pure evil. They are pure evil.

I stand by what I said. The United States is the most culturally backwards country on this planet. I don't just dislike them. I utterly despise their filthy, stinking guts.

Sorry tpals and VTSN. But you really do need to understand the depth of anti-US feeling being created here. If I could press a button that would make the United States and everybody in it simply vanish from the face of the Earth, I'd press it without more than a moment's consideration.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 04 Oct 2015, 09:05

As far as I could see in the paper shop none of the Sunday Papers features the MSF Kunduz hospital attack on their front pages. The Observer gives it half a page to it inside but four pages to the Russian bombing in Syria. Michael Fallon was quick to attack the Russians but has there been any government comment about the American attack?

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 04 Oct 2015, 16:36

biffvernon wrote:As far as I could see in the paper shop none of the Sunday Papers features the MSF Kunduz hospital attack on their front pages. The Observer gives it half a page to it inside but four pages to the Russian bombing in Syria. Michael Fallon was quick to attack the Russians but has there been any government comment about the American attack?

It was deliberate, Biff. This was no accident. They want to discourage people like MSF from operating in these places.

They are despicable. Lowest form of humanity. Make the Israelis look like paragons of moral virtue.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 04 Oct 2015, 19:40

I can get my head round the "worse than NK" bit because NK just sits there, not doing anybody else's countries any harm.

The same can't be said for KSA, mind. But, like the USA, they seem to consist of millions of people too time-poor and mentally exhausted to keep up with what the heck's going on, topped by a regime of psychopathic nutters. In the USA's case this isn't the Pres., but certain types of big business.

Nobody buys American stuff as consumer goods, so you can't break the deadlock by boycotting it: it all seems to be 'bought' by their government. Or at least, by the bits of Govt that consist, mainly, of the same individuals who work for said firms...

Oh and the things I've read about USA Special Forces operating outwith anybody else's laws or consent...I'll shut up now.