Migrant watch (merged topic)

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 18 Sep 2015, 07:46

You may be right about the map, the words are wrong, but Lebanon is adjacent to Syria as is Turkey. Hence you would expect a lot of refugees there.

The call from the Gulf states for regime change is I think significant and probably a response to Russia getting more directly involved.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 18 Sep 2015, 07:47

every act of terrorism that you see in europe,7/7 bombing madrid charlie hebdo and the reaction to them by people like anders breviak is the tiny flame thats starts that war, your filling a room with petrol even when you can see the flames appear .

how would you define a fool, if you can see civil wars starting and you make them worse .

Would we have any islamic terrorism in europe if people like yourself hadnt imported millions of muslims no so your the cause of that,

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 18 Sep 2015, 14:14

biffvernon wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote: So that map is wrong Biff. Are you going to take it down or am I?
As I demonstrated above, Ken, the map is correct and your statement is incorrect, but leave that aside for the moment and consider your second point. What if the map had been wrong? What if I, or anybody else on PowerSwitch, were to make a statement which is factually incorrect? Is it now policy of PS admin to take down any post that contains a factual error, or even something that is correct but that admin believes to be in error?

I imported the map into my CAD software and measured the relative areas.

The land area of Lebanon is 10,230 and the measured area in CAD was 125.66 while the land area of Cornwall is 3,563 and the measured area was 74.34.

The ratio of the land areas is 3563/10230=0.35

The ratio of the measured areas is 74.34/125.66=0.59

On that basis the map of Lebanon is roughly half the size it should be.

I would say that if something or someone is seeking to deliberately deceive it should not be on this site. I am happy to accept that you posted the picture in good faith but it doesn't reflect well on you.

I will leave it up to you as to what you do but I will annotate the post to ensure that it doesn't mislead any visitors who see it.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 18 Sep 2015, 14:26

I've just seen your post EM. I hope the above is a suitable compromise.

I would just add that the moderators have taken down both offensive and incorrect posts in the past.

I am now happy to leave the post up as it shows the length that people will go to to stir up sentiment on their side.

Post by **clv101** » 18 Sep 2015, 15:17

kenneal - lagger wrote:On that basis the map of Lebanon is roughly half the size it should be.

Ken, of course! It's a screen shot from Google maps. Google maps use the Mercator projection which as everyone knows massively distorts area with latitude. Check out Greenland and India, really, check it out. In reality India is 50% larger than Greenland!

As for the 'infographic', sure it's wrong but who cares, the sentiment is spot on. Instead of saying Cornwall it could have said 'West Country'. The specifics don't change the point at all.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 18 Sep 2015, 15:20

kenneal - lagger wrote:I've just seen your post EM. I hope the above is a suitable compromise.

I would just add that the moderators have taken down both offensive and incorrect posts in the past.

I am now happy to leave the post up as it shows the length that people will go to to stir up sentiment on their side.

Thanks.

My view:

Offensive = maybe but my take on 'offensive' is usually different to that of others.

Incorrect = point it out and leave it at that; if you delete posts with mistakes in them, you'd be at it all day; you'd also have to take out all the posts that are connected with them, including your own.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 18 Sep 2015, 17:41

And while some folk are trying to get to grips with spheroidal projections here's a short movie to be getting along with, demonstrating further that there are some excellent Americans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=561&v=KVV6_1Sef9M

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 18 Sep 2015, 17:59

Ken, the level of censorship that you have decided to impose on my post by adding an amendment is outrageous. Feel free to post your 'edit' on your own post but don't touch mine. In the light of your earlier remark I added a comment saying that the caption on the map was 'a bit rubbish' and it would have been more accurate to say Devon and Cornwall, rather than just Cornwall, but, frankly, that's not important. The map was correct and I do hope you understand CLV's techie comment.

What is important is the integrity of PowewrSwitch posts. There were no rude words, there were no personal insults, no defamation of character of PS members. Just a loosely worded quotation from a third party source, the implication of which didn't accord with your political outlook.

This is not what I expect of a PS admin. So I've cut your 'edit' from my post and stuck it below. Feel free to take it and stick it elsewhere but not on one of my posts.

(Edit - Kenneal - This map is incorrect and misleading as Lebanon is approximately three times the size of Cornwall. It is shown approximately half the size that it should be. Please see my posts below for details)

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:59

I found this on facebook in relation to your map with paddington bear from a lebanese who responded to it
Hi, as a Lebanese person who found this floating on Lebanese social media, I've got a lot to say about this;

1. The impact of the Syrian population in Lebanon sought the loss of thousands of jobs traditionally held by the Lebanese to Syrians - Mainly labor.

2. Due to Syrian presence the Lebanese economy was hit hard, causing devaluation in our currency.

3. Some Syrians are becoming well established and are refusing to leave.

4. Wages dropped due to Syrian competition.

5. Right wing extremists are becoming more popular due to Syrian presence.

6. Over half of the 2 million Syrians in Lebanon (half our population) came in witout refugee status, and ignored border control - and registered themselves as refugees. The other half are still undocumented.

7. None of these refugees are housed (exception are UN tents). None of the refugees are supported, subsidized or otherwise helped by our government.

8. THANK YOU THANK YOU for taking them away. I would have thought it crazy that anyone would want to take not 2 million, but 20 million people at their own burden.

-The majority of the Lebanese population living in Lebanon.

PS; organized and unorganized crime, terrorist attacks, smuggling, illegal training camps subsequently came about as well though. According to your media though, it's not correlated with the refugees.

Cheers!

Lebanon clearly isn't the size of cornwall whoever wrote that would have been able to confirm that by a couple of seconds on wikipedia,I can only think that they wrote it to fool people

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 20 Sep 2015, 09:44

Lucrative work if you can get it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... alone.html

Post by **clv101** » 20 Sep 2015, 12:54

jonny2mad wrote:Lebanon clearly isn't the size of cornwall whoever wrote that would have been able to confirm that by a couple of seconds on wikipedia,I can only think that they wrote it to fool people

More likely is that someone looked at Google maps and saw them to the similar in size. Unfortunately education in this county is not what it should be leaving many people ignorant of the massive size distortions in Google maps.

Cockup trumps conspiracy.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 20 Sep 2015, 18:29

I've just spent some time with a relative who has returned from Jordan. His job is designing systems to move bulk solids. Current project is a 200000 tonne grain storage facility. The job is feeding people. Jordan, a dozen years ago, had a population of about 4 million; it is now over 10 million the growth coming mostly from refugees from the Iraq war and now from Syria.
Jordan is mostly semi-desert; there is little agriculture beyond a few goats and sheep ans some pockets of irrigated fruit, but Israel stole most of the water in the River Jordan.
My relative visited a camp of tents housing 750000 people. He wanted to stress to me that, unlike people in Saudi and Kuwait, every Jordanian he met took the attitude that refugees were welcome. It didn't matter how poor a Jordanian was, they were willing to share whatever they had with refugees. The Jordanians are an inspirational people, caught in the centre of hostility and threats all around them with little hope for the future, but their humanity is unsurpassed.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 21 Sep 2015, 00:46

Just had a conversation with a young homeless man who can't understand why the goverments helping people from abroad while he and the other homeless guys he knows get no help .

I'm damned if I know,.

He's not on drugs had some bad luck had his front tooth kicked out last week because hes living in a alley in a city centre,can't find a job which is made pretty impossible because he has no abode

My right on friends will take time off work to go to the jungle in france to help a load of africans but they wont help him.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 21 Sep 2015, 05:18

biffvernon wrote:. He wanted to stress to me that, unlike people in Saudi and Kuwait, every Jordanian he met took the attitude that refugees were welcome. It didn't matter how poor a Jordanian was, they were willing to share whatever they had with refugees. The Jordanians are an inspirational people, caught in the centre of hostility and threats all around them with little hope for the future, but their humanity is unsurpassed.

I suspect that based on their history the Israelis would beg to differ.
But assuming the point about their humanity is correct, How do you see that playing out for them? Do they ever reach a point where the lifeboat is full?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 21 Sep 2015, 07:08

biffvernon wrote:I've just spent some time with a relative who has returned from Jordan. His job is designing systems to move bulk solids. Current project is a 200000 tonne grain storage facility. The job is feeding people. Jordan, a dozen years ago, had a population of about 4 million; it is now over 10 million the growth coming mostly from refugees from the Iraq war and now from Syria.
Jordan is mostly semi-desert; there is little agriculture beyond a few goats and sheep ans some pockets of irrigated fruit, but Israel stole most of the water in the River Jordan.
My relative visited a camp of tents housing 750000 people. He wanted to stress to me that, unlike people in Saudi and Kuwait, every Jordanian he met took the attitude that refugees were welcome. It didn't matter how poor a Jordanian was, they were willing to share whatever they had with refugees. The Jordanians are an inspirational people, caught in the centre of hostility and threats all around them with little hope for the future, but their humanity is unsurpassed.

Right. so this would be why Christians, Jews and pretty much any other ethnicity apart from Muslims....oh wait, scratch, that.....apart from a any particular sect of Islam at any particular time and place....are welcome across the middle East and are not in fact running for their lives in the millions eh?