Migrant watch (merged topic)

[kenneal - lagger]

What has climate change got to do with the migrant crisis? Are you getting your threads mixed up?

We had been having a discussion on the effect of sea level rise on the ability of the UK to accept large numbers of migrants. Hanson has said in a magazine article referenced in another thread that the sea level could rise from 2 to 17 metres over decadal timescales. Biff thinks that he is wrong and being pessimistic.

I just look at the qualifications of the individuals and make up my mind that way.

[Catweazle]

I thought it was accepted that large areas of our most fertile land would be ruined by rising sea levels, either by direct flooding, heavier rainfall or by increasing salt infiltration.

When did that prediction change ?

[biffvernon]

Hanson has said in a magazine article referenced in another thread that the sea level could rise from 2 to 17 metres over decadal timescales. Biff thinks that he is wrong and being pessimistic.

Actually Hansen didn't say that. He reported someone else saying that. [/pedant]

[jonny2mad]

what real difference does that make

[Little John]

There's a funny email about Terror Alerts currently doing the rounds which is said to have been penned by John Cleese. While there is debate about whether of not Cleese was the actual author, it is certainly in his style of comedy. Thought I'd share it as we could all do a with bloody laugh right now:

NATIONAL LEVELS OF ALERT - THREATS TO EUROPE
From JOHN CLEESE

The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Syria and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out.

Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability.

Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."

The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose."

Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels .

The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

Australia , meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be right, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.

Regards,
John Cleese,
British writer, actor and tall person

And as a final thought - Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray. Welcome back to 430 BC.

[snow hope]

That is bloody brilliant.

[jonny2mad]

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/inde ... empty.html

So the saudis have tents set up for 3 million people but wont take a refugee neither will any of the other oil rich gulf states .

But they will pay for 200 new mosques to be put up in germany

could it be a plan to spread islam nah can't be as simple as that surely

[Little John]

Apart from a somewhat excessive stridency and his obvious Ron-Paul-esque wider political outlook, which I suspect I would largely not agree with, this person has got it pretty much spot on vis-a-vis the current migration crisis. In any event, perhaps stridency is precisely what is needed right now to put an end to the lunacy being facilitated by an unholy alliance between a limp-minded, unthinking, liberal twitterati (egged on by a soft-liberal-left political class who know that such migrants are likely to vote for them ) and a global, corporatist/capitalist class who are only to happy too see a massive influx of cheap labour.

https://video-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvide ... e=55F2DA28

[kenneal - lagger]

There's a video on Youtube showing a camera person delibrately tripping up a migrant mother and child running from police and filming as they fall over. Would have made a much better story only she was filmed doing the tripping. There is also speculation the the boy who drowned was placed in that position because of the body position and hair. I find it suspicious that all the press used the same picture as well.

Are the bleeding heart liberal twitterati being manipulated? I would think so!

Will the Turks stop the traffickers? I doubt it! They're making too much money from the trade and it also get a load of Kurds and other refugees off their hands. I wonder who got the order for rubber boats? They must be making a packet as well.

One of the TV news items showed a rubber boat with a couple of crew speeding off back to turkey after dropping off a load of migrants. Why weren't they arrested? Or blown out of the water? That would slow the trade down.

[kenneal - lagger]

I thought it was accepted that large areas of our most fertile land would be ruined by rising sea levels, either by direct flooding, heavier rainfall or by increasing salt infiltration.

When did that prediction change ?

When Biff realised that it could be used as an excuse to not take in too many migrants! Apparently something that James Hansen doesn't. I hope he contributes his valuable insight to the peer revue of Hansen's paper.

[kenneal - lagger]

The camera woman may be charged which seems a bit strange as she was only doing what the border police were trying to do, i.e. stop the migrants from getting into Hungary.

[biffvernon]

I thought it was accepted that large areas of our most fertile land would be ruined by rising sea levels, either by direct flooding, heavier rainfall or by increasing salt infiltration.

When did that prediction change ?

When Biff realised that it could be used as an excuse to not take in too many migrants! Apparently something that James Hansen doesn't. I hope he contributes his valuable insight to the peer revue of Hansen's paper.

Why do keep writing nonsense about what I have written? I wrote that you were wrong to assert that Lincolnshire would become smaller as a result of sea level rise over the coming decades. Worry about sea level rise in Egypt and many other places, but sea level rise will not affect the UK's ability to provide asylum.

[Catweazle]

I thought it was accepted that large areas of our most fertile land would be ruined by rising sea levels, either by direct flooding, heavier rainfall or by increasing salt infiltration.

When did that prediction change ?

When Biff realised that it could be used as an excuse to not take in too many migrants! Apparently something that James Hansen doesn't. I hope he contributes his valuable insight to the peer revue of Hansen's paper.

Why do keep writing nonsense about what I have written? I wrote that you were wrong to assert that Lincolnshire would become smaller as a result of sea level rise over the coming decades. Worry about sea level rise in Egypt and many other places, but sea level rise will not affect the UK's ability to provide asylum.

Are you JHemming ? It's the sort of answer I would expect from him.

So, in LibDemSpinSpeak, Lincolnshire will not become smaller, it will just offer more opportunities for fish-farming.

[jonny2mad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=217&v=ZV315xqbRK8 interesting clips that news agencys wont cover

I have seen some scammed photos on both the pro and the anti immigration point of view, theres one of the boy who drowned for example before the body was moved and positioned for a better photo for example .

you have a right wing scammed photo of a guy who was leader of a anti government faction but not in isis as a member of isis and now as a refugee

[biffvernon]

So, in LibDemSpinSpeak, Lincolnshire will not become smaller, it will just offer more opportunities for fish-farming.

No. In terms of civil engineering and geography, Lincolnshire will not become smaller.

OK, that's not quite true. There 140 acres near Donna Nook that are in the process of 'managed retreat' whereby a saltmarsh habitat is created in accord with the Habitats Directive to mitigate loss of saltmarsh in the Humber Estuary where sea defence works are squeezing that habitat.

There's another area of land around Anderby that is currently designated a 'Coastal Country Park' in which no significant building will be given planning permission. The Environment Agency currently applies a policy of 'hold the line' in this area but retains an option to redesignate this to 'managed retreat' in the second half of this century.

So in a near worst-case sea level rise scenario we could see a further few hundred acres 'lost' from agriculture (and golf courses) and given over to saltmarsh.

Intriguingly, my nearest section of the coastline is an accretionary coast, where sediments brought south by longshore drift are accumulating and the land is actually getting bigger as sea level rises.

But none of this has the remotest relevance to our ability to provide asylum for refugees now.