Migrant watch (merged topic)

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 03 Sep 2015, 21:57

biffvernon wrote: We can set a tolerant, accepting global mood,

Now read LJ's most recent post again, and this time actually think about what he wrote.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 03 Sep 2015, 22:01

Petition government #refugeeswelcome https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105991
300,121 signatures Yo! We are many.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 03 Sep 2015, 22:09

biffvernon wrote:Petition government #refugeeswelcome https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105991
300,121 signatures Yo! We are many.

Sheer lunacy. Is this country going insane?!?!

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 03 Sep 2015, 22:12

There will be a backlash if thousands are let in.

and there should be,.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 03 Sep 2015, 22:13

UndercoverElephant wrote:Yep. In fact I'd throw him overboard the moment he opened his mouth and started spewing his nonsense, while there was still room on the boat. Much better to save that space, so we can rescue somebody who is actually worth keeping alive.

There's no need for that abuse. Idealists are needed, they give us something to aspire to.

I expect better from someone of your obvious intellect.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 03 Sep 2015, 22:20

Catweazle wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:Yep. In fact I'd throw him overboard the moment he opened his mouth and started spewing his nonsense, while there was still room on the boat. Much better to save that space, so we can rescue somebody who is actually worth keeping alive.
There's no need for that abuse. Idealists are needed, they give us something to aspire to.

I expect better from someone of your obvious intellect.

This is not idealism. It is a form of lunatic self-destruction under the guise of an infantile moralising. All of which would not matter one jot if was only himself it could harm. But it is not. If this particular meme of infantile, dangerous nonsense is allowed to hold sway in our national culture over the coming years, we are finished.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 03 Sep 2015, 22:25

Little John wrote:
Catweazle wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:Yep. In fact I'd throw him overboard the moment he opened his mouth and started spewing his nonsense, while there was still room on the boat. Much better to save that space, so we can rescue somebody who is actually worth keeping alive.
There's no need for that abuse. Idealists are needed, they give us something to aspire to.

I expect better from someone of your obvious intellect.
This is not idealism. It is a form of lunatic self-destruction under the guise of an infantile moralising. All of which would not matter one jot if was only himself it could harm. But it is not. If this particular meme of infantile, dangerous nonsense is allowed to hold sway in our national culture over the coming years, we are finished.

I disagree. Many good policies begin with "in a perfect world....." and are tempered with what is actually possible. We need people to point out the perfect outcome, so we don't lose track of what we are aiming for.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 03 Sep 2015, 22:29

Catweazle wrote:
Little John wrote:
Catweazle wrote: There's no need for that abuse. Idealists are needed, they give us something to aspire to.

I expect better from someone of your obvious intellect.
This is not idealism. It is a form of lunatic self-destruction under the guise of an infantile moralising. All of which would not matter one jot if was only himself it could harm. But it is not. If this particular meme of infantile, dangerous nonsense is allowed to hold sway in our national culture over the coming years, we are finished.
I disagree. Many good policies begin with "in a perfect world....." and are tempered with what is actually possible. We need people to point out the perfect outcome, so we don't lose track of what we are aiming for.

There is no "perfect outcome" for this. There is only one outcome and it's a terrible one. Over the next several decades, many hundreds of millions of people, if not billions, are going to die. The only choice we get to make, if we are not stupid or suicidal, is which side of that terrible equation we are on.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 03 Sep 2015, 22:32

Isn't it interesting that every day you have british homeless and the cat ladys generally do nothing for them but they will do stuff for economic migrants from abroad pathological altruism.

pathological altruism

pathological altruism

pathological altruism

pathological altruism

And as biff points out there are loads of these cat ladys like himself, bringing in cats or in this case people even when they cant look after the cats they have

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 03 Sep 2015, 22:36

And biff is a idealist as much as a cat lady is a idealist, have you ever talked to a cat lady I did over many years.

if thats idealism the world is better without it

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 03 Sep 2015, 22:43

Little John wrote:
Catweazle wrote:
Little John wrote:This is not idealism. It is a form of lunatic self-destruction under the guise of an infantile moralising. All of which would not matter one jot if was only himself it could harm. But it is not. If this particular meme of infantile, dangerous nonsense is allowed to hold sway in our national culture over the coming years, we are finished.
I disagree. Many good policies begin with "in a perfect world....." and are tempered with what is actually possible. We need people to point out the perfect outcome, so we don't lose track of what we are aiming for.
There is no "perfect outcome" for this. There is only one outcome and it's a terrible one. Over the next several decades, many hundreds of millions of people, if not billions, are going to die. The only choice we get to make, if we are not stupid or suicidal, is which side of that terrible equation we are on.

I also believe that there is no attainable "perfect outcome", but if we don't have something to aim for we will settle for the easiest outcome and have nothing to temper our lazy self interest.

Let the dreamers dream, we need them, always have.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 03 Sep 2015, 22:46

please odin let the dreamers dream far away from me

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 03 Sep 2015, 22:47

jonny2mad wrote:Isn't it interesting that every day you have british homeless and the cat ladys generally do nothing for them but they will do stuff for economic migrants from abroad pathological altruism.

pathological altruism

pathological altruism

pathological altruism

pathological altruism

And as biff points out there are loads of these cat ladys like himself, bringing in cats or in this case people even when they cant look after the cats they have

I like to think that I can take in different points of view, but yours are just off the scale sometimes.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 03 Sep 2015, 22:49

David Blunket saying we should take in 25k immigrants over a 6 month period on Newsnight - on top of the 300+k legal immigrants we've taken in. He says we should take in more because Germany is looking to take in 800k. What the **** is going on?

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 03 Sep 2015, 23:22

Catweazle wrote:
jonny2mad wrote:Isn't it interesting that every day you have british homeless and the cat ladys generally do nothing for them but they will do stuff for economic migrants from abroad pathological altruism.

pathological altruism

pathological altruism

pathological altruism

pathological altruism

And as biff points out there are loads of these cat ladys like himself, bringing in cats or in this case people even when they cant look after the cats they have
I like to think that I can take in different points of view, but yours are just off the scale sometimes.

Well altruism originally was used for your tribe, so if you were a warrior and you died for your tribe you still helped push near genes to yours into the future . you might not survive but your near kin did .

What we have now is altruism directed at the distant stranger over the near kin, this is barmy from a evolutionary point of view, its a sign of mental illness