Migrant watch (merged topic)

[jonny2mad]

what does that german front page mean

[jonny2mad]

ok read the story the traitor thats getting boos off her own people, has betrayed her homeland some more and will help the rise of the nazis

[UndercoverElephant]

And why did modern civilisation take off 10,000 years ago, and not at some other point in the previous 100,000?

One thing to consider is how relatively small differences in average IQ (genetically determined) might make to the emergent behaviour of whole societies. 10 or 15 points in IQ doesn't sound like much of a difference when you are talking about comparing two individuals, but what about when it is the whole tribe, or the whole civilisation?

I would look at the end of the ice age 10 to 12 thousand years ago as a most likely trigger.

Yes, obviously, that was an important factor, but why hadn't some sort of civilisation emerged before then, somewhere else? Why didn't it emerge in Africa, which was never glaciated and probably rather a nice place to live during the ice age?

Also I would consider that the IQs of a given population would be distributed in a statistical bell curve with the bulk near average and a few extreme out layers in both directions. Plot the curve of two groups side by side and they will overlap by a lot with the smartest of the lower group well ahead of the average of the smart group.

Sure, but my point stands. The difference 15 IQ points makes when it is applied to the entire population is absolutely enormous.

The appearance of complex civilisation is something like the state change in matter when a liquid freezes or a gas condenses. A boundary point is reached where the behaviour of the whole complex system changes in a fundamental way. Humans had slowly been getting more and more intelligent, as the result of selective evolutionary pressure, for the previous 3 or 4 million years. But surely complex civilisation can only emerge when the average intelligence crosses some sort of critical threshold, rather like a freezing or boiling point. And if that is true, then a difference of 15 IQ points, spread over the whole population, is more than enough to make the difference between a complex civilisation that works, and one that doesn't.

Perhaps advancing into the north before the end of the ice age proposed challenges that winnowed out those less adaptable increasing the chances of smart mating with smart. while those left in Africa has more stable climate and food sources and big dumb jock got all the females year after year.

Something like that, yes.

But no matter the cause, people are all different and you can't make their outcomes all equal. As long as there is equal "Opportunity" that allows everyone to show how smart and ambitious they are through their efforts we will have done as much as can be done.

Indeed.

But J2M also does have a point, and he's also correct to point out that it's impossible for anyone to make that point without being accused of racism (although he is a racist, and therefore doesn't care).

I do not advocate discriminating against black people. My position on immigration remains that there are too many people in the UK already, the world is going down the toilet (not just Africa) and I therefore want immigration levels strictly controlled, and only the most deserving and useful people let in. The mere fact that they are running away from some horrible situation is not enough, because there's going to be millions of people like that in the years to come and if we let them all in then we're going down the toilet too, regardless of what anybody does to try to stop it. But I absolutely do not agree with J2M that white people should be let in and black people not let in.

However, I do also feel like we're in an "emporer's new clothes" situation, with J2M playing the point of the little boy. If we shed the political correctness and take an honest look at what is going on both in sub-Saharan Africa itself and everywhere else that there's a significant black population - if we look at culture, the crime, the corruption, the unbelievably entrenched stupidity and violence - sorry...but the emporer has no clothes.

[vtsnowedin]

Sure, but my point stands. The difference 15 IQ points makes when it is applied to the entire population is absolutely enormous.

Perhaps not. Perhaps it is how far to the right of average the smartest are that counts.
The Jefferson s and Franklin s that formed the USA were as a group among the most educated men in the world at the time and some were certainly geniuses at a time when most Americans could barely read and write.
Point being it is not how smart the masses are but how smart those in power are that moves a country.
But will we restrict immigration to those with 105 IQs or better?

[Lord Beria3]

http://www.walayatstreet.com/

Britain's Immigration crisis is fast trending towards becoming a catastrophe as the latest immigration statistics once more bring home the stark reality that the UK has no control over its borders as 5 years of Conservative government rhetoric of controlling immigration have yet again been revealed to be a case of "the emperor has no clothes", where rather than annual net immigration of in the tens of thousands as David Cameron promised at the start of his Premiership in 2010, instead net immigration has once more soared above the previous record high of 318,000 announced in May, to now 330,000.

A interesting piece from Nadeem, who always has some thoughtful (and controversial) views.

p.s. Nadeem was one of the few folks who predicted a Tory majority government, back in late 2013. On the back of his advice, I went to the bookies in Jan 2014 on a Tory majority government in May 2015 - and won over £100 quid! So I take his views with a fair degree of credibility. It took balls to predict such a, at a time, outlandish view.

Anyway, back on immigration. Personally, I like the fact that East European migrants are pouring into Britain - bring it on! Hard-working, Christian, integrated and friendly folk who are a great asset to Great Britain.

But, it is bring huge strains on our countries public services, housing and cultural fabric and it will lead to problems down the line. More worrying is the future waves of African and ME migrants trying to get to Britain - this is a huge problem which will need to be solved.

Not sure that there are any easy solutions though.

[kenneal - lagger]

It occurred to me recently that we have a wave of Moslem immigration into (nominally) Christian Europe travelling through other Moslem countries to get here and not choosing to go to other Moslem countries which are much richer than Christian Europe. Why are they not choosing to stay in Moslem countries? Is Christian Europe such a better place than anywhere in the Moslem world? If they turn Christian Europe into Moslem Europe will they all want to leave and go somewhere else? Is Islam their real problem?

Yes, some of them want to go back to Islamic countries but they want to go there to fight another branch of Islam! Which brings us to the cause of the flight which is a civil war between two different factions of Islam. This is being financed by the richer Islamic countries of the region: Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States and Iran. These countries are taking virtually no refugees from the fighting that they have caused but not many of the refugees want to go there and live the Islamic life that those countries espouse.

For all our faults we have something which is highly desired and it is not our affluence. We have relative freedom and a tolerance which is not found in Moslem countries by and large. We must remind our children of migrants that that is why their parents came here and for them to ask for Sharia law is to lose the great advantage that Europe has over Islamic states. Shia and Sunni can live here in peace and prosperity. Go to virtually any Moslem country and you will have to chose one of the same sect as yourself if you want to live in peace. Even then that country is likely to be in a state of undeclared war with its neighbour of the opposite sect.

[biffvernon]

Any fence higher than is required for keeping cattle in a field should not exist.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... eople-out/

[johnhemming2]

Any fence higher than is required for keeping cattle in a field should not exist.

What's wrong with fences to prevent footballs and rugby balls from hitting the road?

[kenneal - lagger]

What's wrong with a fence for keeping two groups of football fans away from each other? Thankfully they aren't needed for rugby fans.

[kenneal - lagger]

Then there's a fence for keeping deer and goats out of my vegetables which is twice the height of a cattle fence.

[kenneal - lagger]

Then there will be the wall I will require for keeping the starving hoards off my vegetables when TSHTF. That will have to be even higher if we let hundreds of thousands of migrants in.

[kenneal - lagger]

Perhaps we should just enforce the moat which we already have and not bother with a wall around the country. That is a much cheaper option.

[jonny2mad]

It occurred to me recently that we have a wave of Moslem immigration into (nominally) Christian Europe travelling through other Moslem countries to get here and not choosing to go to other Moslem countries which are much richer than Christian Europe. Why are they not choosing to stay in Moslem countries? Is Christian Europe such a better place than anywhere in the Moslem world? If they turn Christian Europe into Moslem Europe will they all want to leave and go somewhere else? Is Islam their real problem?

Yes, some of them want to go back to Islamic countries but they want to go there to fight another branch of Islam! Which brings us to the cause of the flight which is a civil war between two different factions of Islam. This is being financed by the richer Islamic countries of the region: Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States and Iran. These countries are taking virtually no refugees from the fighting that they have caused but not many of the refugees want to go there and live the Islamic life that those countries espouse.

For all our faults we have something which is highly desired and it is not our affluence. We have relative freedom and a tolerance which is not found in Moslem countries by and large. We must remind our children of migrants that that is why their parents came here and for them to ask for Sharia law is to lose the great advantage that Europe has over Islamic states. Shia and Sunni can live here in peace and prosperity. Go to virtually any Moslem country and you will have to chose one of the same sect as yourself if you want to live in peace. Even then that country is likely to be in a state of undeclared war with its neighbour of the opposite sect.

Talking to muslims which I did for decades one of the reasons they come here is because that way they can convert the whole world to islam. And I was told a number of times by different people that allah had made us stupid so that islam could conquer us via demographics. muslim armys had failed in the past but our immigration policys were handing us over to islam

They know we are stupid and suicidal sadly we don't, and don't expect gratitude for being taken in to stop them oppressing non muslims, it really does not work that way

[Little John]

There is a very simple and entirely fair method for allowing inward migration of individuals. Simply do it on the basis of their skill set for the job in question with no regard to any other factor. If the requirement of a particular skill set ends up causing inward migration of entirely blue, black, pink, or white people, or an entirely random mixture of any of these, this should be of no concern. Now, of course, IQ is one of the major indirect indices (though not exclusively so) used for selecting people for a given skill set. Thus, an inward migration policy that was much stricter and operated on the basis described, might well produce outcomes that mapped onto racial profiles. Then again, they might not for any number of reasons. One of which might be that the IQ differences I mentioned is simply not correct. In which case, fine. Or, it might be because only those with the highest IQ from any given external population would be liable to make in inward migration application that required a relatively high IQ as part of the job for which they were applying and so any racial differences in IQ between those populations as a whole would not be evident in these individual migrants. In other words, as an indirect consequence of the nature of the inward migration policy, their IQ would be entirely commensurate with the indigenous population, if not higher. In which case, also fine.

The point is, such selection procedures should be entirely racially blind. Indeed, there is an argument for why they should be blind to anything other than the criteria used to select for a given occupation (* but, see qualification) , including IQ. That is to say, we don't need to have any concern for IQ when selecting an immigration application from a brain surgeon since their IQ is implied by the very fact of their skill set. In other words, there should be no quotas on any criteria other do we need them and do they have the requisite skills for the job. Where they come from and what colour is their skin should never play a part in migration policy and, as harsh as it is to say it, how great is their need can now also play no part for all of the reasons argues to death on here previously.

* the one qualification to the above would be along the lines of selecting according to compatible cultural criteria. That is to say, if a prospective migrant satisfied all of the job skills criteria, but nevertheless exhibited cultural traits that were not compatible with effectively integrating into a Western secular, democratic society with clear separation of state and church and an egalitarian attitude to human rights (e.g. LBGT and women's rights), then this might be a legitimate reason for such an application not being successful irrespective of appropriate job skills.

Now, again, there may be an unfortunate correlation of undesirable cultural traits and racial profile due to the arbitrary cultural histories of peoples form different parts of the world. But, again, we should simply be racially blind to this and select according to the cultural traits alone.

[jonny2mad]

Any fence higher than is required for keeping cattle in a field should not exist.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... eople-out/

Take your locks off all of your doors and your car locks get rid of them, and if you have a bank account please publish any pin numbers and details



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