Migrant watch (merged topic)

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 21 Aug 2015, 21:01

jonny2mad wrote:I think if you want to help people from syria you would need to go to syria pick a side ideally not isis and win, kill the people on the other side and bring peace to the country.

I think all the people talking about destroying arms and borders would be better off getting arms and fighting .

The main problem isnt climate change its pure islam I think we should ditch the word fundermentalist and replace it with pure because thats clearer .

Join the kurds biff learn to shoot be a sniper

We cannot stop the war in Syria. We cannot choose who we want to win and make them win. Even if it were morally justifiable, and it was obvious which side we should intervene on, it is simply not possible to win such a war without sending in ground troops, which is a political non-starter. Already tried it in Iraq, and nothing good came out of it.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 23 Aug 2015, 00:47

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33999801 riot in german over a torn quran .

When the germans turn to nationalism biff see what a great idea you had sending these people too them

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Koran.html your completely crazy sending these people to germany

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 23 Aug 2015, 20:29

Some folk say that Europe is 'full up' but, as this article shows, falling birth rates present serious problems if the gap is not filled by inward migration from those parts of the world that still have a total fertility rate above replacement level.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/a ... n-disaster

Of course it goes without saying that the alternative, to try to boost birth rates, should not be countenanced on this resource constrained, finite planet.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 23 Aug 2015, 20:56

biffvernon wrote:Some folk say that Europe is 'full up' but, as this article shows, falling birth rates present serious problems if the gap is not filled by inward migration from those parts of the world that still have a total fertility rate above replacement level.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/a ... n-disaster

Of course it goes without saying that the alternative, to try to boost birth rates, should not be countenanced on this resource constrained, finite planet.

Why is it wrong for europeans to have babys but not for black africans to have babys and bring them here .

And a declining population is not a problem if we are going to have less resources. our population will fall in line with those resources one way or another.

I think after die-off it will be about a million maybe less

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 23 Aug 2015, 23:50

Dear Biff Vernon

When the shit hits really starts to hit the fan (and we all know it is going to) then I want you to be on my side. I don't want to be forced to side with Jonny against you. But if you really want to insist on ruining everything everybody in the UK is trying to do to make this country sustainable by letting unlimited numbers of refugees and other migrants in from a world gone to shit, then you leave me no choice but to side with Jonny, because on his side, in this case, lies both logic and morality. There is nothing morally superior about flushing the whole world down the toilet, just because we can't save everybody.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 24 Aug 2015, 02:21

You ought to read "The camp of the saints", there used to be a copy of it on archive.org, and I have posted it in the past . its not a great book its translated from the french, but the basic idea is happening now and will happen in a collapse ie mass invasion of the west by the starving third world .

In the book a handful of people like me who try to oppose it, and try to shoot the migrants, with the biffs and everyone else considering us bastards, but people like me don't really care what people like that think . You have the biffs encouraging the invasion from misguided notions that they foolishly hold, and they come to very bad ends, and the majority doing nothing and they get destroyed .

Basically everybody in the west loses, their civilisation is destroyed . I think thats likely to happen, I think in the book switzerland holds out a while and then surrenders .

If you had a country of people like me you might have a hope, sadly you don't and so I think generally we are doomed.

The book trys to answer why people dont do the logical thing ie sink the refugee ships and save themselves. why you have people like the biffs, its interesting as it was written 40 years ago .

you may be able to download a copy somewhere its not a nice book, but apt at the present time

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 24 Aug 2015, 02:59

http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/10/the-ca ... lden-dawn/

3rdRock · Post by **3rdRock** » 24 Aug 2015, 08:03

Be very, very careful Jonny.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 24 Aug 2015, 09:35

Careful of what? saying someone should read a book that would go along with your totalitarian mindset I suppose .

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 24 Aug 2015, 10:11

Actually I dont like the book its badly written and cartoonish it is racist, its not a good book but it does show the likely reaction to a mass invasion from the third world .

I read it once completely most of it I cant stand its one of my least favourite books ever, but would read it again to try to understand why our society produces people so self destructive and insane .

it's one of the big questions why would you produce people like that, my guess is a lifetime of programming and the person themselves lacks the ability to critically think

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 24 Aug 2015, 11:46

From the Gates of Vienna article:

Meanwhile, the few people of European descent still left in Africa — mainly white South Africans — are being systematically wiped out in the most brutal manner possible. Africans wipe out the few Europeans in Africa, and then promptly follow them to Europe. Africa for Africans, and Europe for Africans, too.

One could look back at the colonial era and say; "Europe for Europeans and Africa for Europeans too."

The writer is being a little hypocritical don't you think?

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 24 Aug 2015, 12:04

Not really if you think colonialism was wrong, isnt colonialism of europe wrong.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 24 Aug 2015, 12:10

From that logic we should allow colonisation, then do whats happening in africa today ie discrimination, taking away businesses, doing everything we can to drive people out .

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 24 Aug 2015, 16:05

I don't think the migrant tide currently entering Europe remotely resembles colonialism. It's just that the article implied an unfairness in the idea of "Africa for Africans and Europe for Africans too". I think it would have been reasonable to acknowledge that, when we were practising colonisation, we implicitly were adopting the same mindset.

It's not like we said; "Hey, Africans - we'll come and live in Africa and you come and take our place in Europe". We wanted it all. Europe for Europeans and Africa for Europeans too.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 24 Aug 2015, 18:27

To a degree different groups in the world are in a constant battle for resources every piece of land on this planet has been and will be fought over .

yes at one point we said europe is ours and the rest of the world is ours, that is a sign of a population that wish to live .

What we are saying at the moment and the biffs are great examples of it but so are people that dont want children is we as a group want to die.

We are finished fighting for a piece of this earth we want to die, please better people from africa or asia take over our land we are to feeble and old or intellectual to wish to live anymore.

I think the lack of reaction to lee rigby or the various other attack or rotherham shows this general vibe