Labour Party/government Watch

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 13 Aug 2015, 22:43

Amazing that Blair slagged off Corbyn to the extent he has. IMHO I think if Corbyn got elected as the new Labour leader, he may well win the next GE.

Corbyn says one thing right - Blair should face war crimes charges over the Iraq war.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 13 Aug 2015, 23:43

The Guardian view on Corbyn...they want Yvette Cooper for Labour leader....

You might as well vote Tory.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 13 Aug 2015, 23:52

It may surprise you that not everyone things of things the way I do. It is does not surprise you then you may wish to consider that not everyone thinks the way you do.

People have different priorities, they have different understanding and models of reality.

Door to door canvassing gives a good level of experience about this in the way that watching the BBC does not.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 14 Aug 2015, 00:38

johnhemming2 wrote:It may surprise you that not everyone things of things the way I do.

Thang Allah for small mercies...

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 14 Aug 2015, 10:04

Even The Guardian's attacking Corbyn. Pressure from advertisers? Takeover in the works? Infiltration?

Anyone who's given so much flack by vested interests is worth supporting.

Post by **clv101** » 14 Aug 2015, 10:53

This whole situation it becoming ridiculous.

All the negative campaigning by grandees and the media against clearly the most popular candidate is daft. Even with the 2nd and 3rd preferences counted it looks like Corbyn might win.

So be it, respect the process.

The next general election is 2020, plenty of time for a new leader of Corbyn is a flop.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 14 Aug 2015, 11:14

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/08 ... een-party/

Farage wrote: “Whilst I have absolutely no faith in the wisdom of his economics, his victory is seriously good news for the no campaign in the forthcoming EU referendum.

“Under Corbyn, there will be a debate about TTIP [Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership], about the way Greece has been treated, and about the role of national parliaments and democracy.

“I have no idea which side of the fence Mr Corbyn himself will come down on, but I feel the left is finally waking up to what a corporatist, big business club the EU really is.

“I have to say I hope he wins. The best news of all? A Corbyn win will be the death of the Green party. Hooray.”

The mind boggles...

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 14 Aug 2015, 12:19

UndercoverElephant wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/08 ... een-party/

Farage wrote: “Whilst I have absolutely no faith in the wisdom of his economics, his victory is seriously good news for the no campaign in the forthcoming EU referendum.

“Under Corbyn, there will be a debate about TTIP [Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership], about the way Greece has been treated, and about the role of national parliaments and democracy.

“I have no idea which side of the fence Mr Corbyn himself will come down on, but I feel the left is finally waking up to what a corporatist, big business club the EU really is.

“I have to say I hope he wins. The best news of all? A Corbyn win will be the death of the Green party. Hooray.”
The mind boggles...

Is that my enemy's enemy?

oobers · Post by **oobers** » 14 Aug 2015, 12:53

Corbyn has said he would like to re-open coal mines, so long as the carbon can be captured.
Is this madness or is CCS technology looking like it might work? What has happened with the trial in Scotland?
How feasible is it to re-open deep coal mines these days. How much does it cost?
Presupposing both the above are possible, is it wise to extract and burn coal for electricity and heat? Does it just slow down efforts to develop renewables?

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 14 Aug 2015, 13:00

oobers wrote: Presupposing both the above are possible, is it wise to extract and burn coal for electricity and heat?

I'd put it this way: if we are going to burn coal (and we are) then it is better that it is British coal than imported coal, both in terms of helping the British economy, and the cost and energy required to transport it.

oobers · Post by **oobers** » 14 Aug 2015, 13:17

UndercoverElephant wrote:
oobers wrote: Presupposing both the above are possible, is it wise to extract and burn coal for electricity and heat?
I'd put it this way: if we are going to burn coal (and we are) then it is better that it is British coal than imported coal, both in terms of helping the British economy, and the cost and energy required to transport it.

So do you think Corbyn should remove the caveat about CCS? Should we re-open pits now in readiness for CCS?

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 14 Aug 2015, 14:20

Worth reading what Corbyn actually said. There was a very important 'if' in his sentence about coal. A lot of people who would do him ill, chose to not see that word.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 14 Aug 2015, 14:37

oobers wrote:Corbyn has said he would like to re-open coal mines, so long as the carbon can be captured.

That's politician-speak for you, an example I don't mind, for a change.

oobers · Post by **oobers** » 14 Aug 2015, 14:48

biffvernon wrote:Worth reading what Corbyn actually said. There was a very important 'if' in his sentence about coal. A lot of people who would do him ill, chose to not see that word.

Have you got a link please Biff? I read about it in 'The Chronicle' but couldn't post the link.
On that subject - I can't seem to make any posts on here any more where I have cut and paste from offsite, such as a link or text from article. Can anyone suggest what may be the problem?

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 14 Aug 2015, 14:52

oobers wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
oobers wrote: Presupposing both the above are possible, is it wise to extract and burn coal for electricity and heat?
I'd put it this way: if we are going to burn coal (and we are) then it is better that it is British coal than imported coal, both in terms of helping the British economy, and the cost and energy required to transport it.
So do you think Corbyn should remove the caveat about CCS? Should we re-open pits now in readiness for CCS?

I don't know. All I am saying is I see no point in importing coal if British mines could be re-opened instead. If we weren't burning coal at all then this is irrelevant.