Migrant watch (merged topic)

[UndercoverElephant]

I wont vote labour because as a white working class person I know that labour does not represent me and it has a record of protecting people of colour that abuse children with my skin colour .

I'm not sure those incidents can be blamed on the Labour Party. And it quite clearly wasn't just non-white people who "got away with it." Do you think Jimmy Savile was black?

Sorry J2M, but this is a dumb argument. You are mixing things together that don't have anything to do with each other.

The torys protect their class

They have also historically protected white abusers of white children in their class.

[jonny2mad]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... acism.html

[AutomaticEarth]

Meanwhile, back at Migration Watch......

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... -rights-uk

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... itain.html

[fuzzy]

its interesting that you want to supress my views and wont answer my questions about the anti white racism of the left.

I wont vote labour because as a white working class person I know that labour does not represent me and it has a record of protecting people of colour that abuse children with my skin colour .

The torys protect their class, and the labour party covers up the industrial scale abuse of white children by people with brown skin because the left are racists .

Thats why you have labour councillors actively covering up for grooming gangs in rotherham , closing investigations getting the investigators in and making personal threats that they would set the gangs on them.

I dont think the labour party would have done that if the kids had been chinese or asian and their abusers white, thats racism but your to dishonest to admit it

J2M, I wish you would ease off on the more hardcore comments, because I really don't want to see you banned. I think it shows a lot of restraint that they are allowed, and you push it too much. I happen to agree with some of what you say, and I am sure others might. This country is getting worse fast, because of immigration and stopping the flow is the 1st step. Can't you put your energy into presuading the public and politicians of that??

[raspberry-blower]

Frankie Boyle: David Cameron used 'swarm' instead of 'plague' in case it implied God had sent the migrants

The Daily Mail (catchphrase circa 1938: “German Jews Pouring Into This Country”) has revelled in the kind of reporting that can only be the sign of a decadent society in freefall. No doubt Rome, in its later days, was also full of people who held very firm opinions based on little evidence, I simply can’t be bothered to find out. One headline reported on terrible food shortages. You might think: “How wonderful to see the Mail reporting on one of the driving forces for people leaving their countries,” but, of course, they meant no frankfurters for Hampshire. At least Calais has replaced the Mail’s hideous stories about how drowning migrants are ruining British people’s holidays, presumably because it’s now impossible for Brits to lay their bloated, burnt bodies down on the beach without locals trying to give them the kiss of life.

Of course, these poor migrants are being used as a distraction by a media and political class (I now use this term instead of government, because the government and opposition seem to be in consensus) that know Calais is an insignificant element of illegal immigration, and suspect that many of the refugees have a good claim to asylum. It’s silly season and they want to spin out a story that is essentially about aggressive hitch-hiking until the bread and circuses of the new football season and The Great British Bake Off get into their stride.

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Nobody, either here or politicians, seems to be proposing actual solutions to the problem. You know, stopping (most of) them wanting to come here in the first place.

Does anyone at all have even the remotest solution to this?

[Little John]

Nobody, either here or politicians, seems to be proposing actual solutions to the problem. You know, stopping (most of) them wanting to come here in the first place.

Does anyone at all have even the remotest solution to this?

(a) Stop invading other people's countries (or backing other, more powerful countries in that endeavour in the hope of riding on their coat-tails) in order to grab their raw materials. But, if we did that, we would likely face collapse sooner than later ourselves.

(b) Roll back a century of re-drawing borders in other people's countries in order more effectively and efficiently implement (a). In the absence of a time machine, this is not possible either.

(c) Implement a worldwide one child policy. Obviously, the chances of that are nil.

So, in terms of what humans can do about it? Nothing, is the answer. It's too late.

[UndercoverElephant]

Nobody, either here or politicians, seems to be proposing actual solutions to the problem. You know, stopping (most of) them wanting to come here in the first place.

Does anyone at all have even the remotest solution to this?

No.

[jonny2mad]

Talking to black migrants which I have done, the uk is seen as safe, russia on the other hand scares them they wouldnt even go on holiday.

I can think of ways to stop this invasion overnight, but it would need a very different country .

Who knows at some point europe may awake and change, but stopping a migration like this needs a major change in the character of the people

[Little John]

Talking to black migrants which I have done, the uk is seen as safe, russia on the other hand scares them they wouldnt even go on holiday.

I can think of ways to stop this invasion overnight, but it would need a very different country .

Who knows at some point europe may awake and change, but stopping a migration like this needs a major change in the character of the people

Oh do shut up with the wartime analogy with words like "invasion". It is a crisis of biblical proportions in the making to be sure and it put the security of this country, in the end, at risk. But, it is not an invasion of the kind you are implying since that requires the coordinated military efforts of a state. These people are intentionally stateless or, even, some cases unintentionally.

[jonny2mad]

you dont need a central organisation to have a invasion, mass migrations can have the same effect as a organised invasion .

if for example most of the population of afghanistan thought they would be better off in the uk and just moved here they would radically change the uk.

Because people take their culture with them .

palestine was conquered by isreal at first by the peaceful migration of jews way before they formed a state, the peaceful migration was the camels nose under the tent .

[vtsnowedin]

Oh do shut up with the wartime analogy with words like "invasion". It is a crisis of biblical proportions in the making to be sure and it put the security of this country, in the end, at risk. But, it is not an invasion of the kind you are implying since that requires the coordinated military efforts of a state. These people are intentionally stateless or, even, some cases unintentionally.

What contradictory nonsense. If it is of biblical proportions what word describes it better then "Invasion"?

[kenneal - lagger]

Nobody, either here or politicians, seems to be proposing actual solutions to the problem. You know, stopping (most of) them wanting to come here in the first place.

Does anyone at all have even the remotest solution to this?

Invade Eritrea and depose the nutters in charge. Put them on trial like Pol Pot.

Bomb the life out of IS and then do the same to the Syrian forces.

Then send all the migrants home to their newly pacified countries after removing all the Kalashnikovs and wait a few years for the next lot of rulers to kick off with repression and theiving.

We did the same thing in Iraq and Libya and people are afraid that the same chaos will happen again in two new countries. Perhaps we could do it slightly differently this time and avoid the post war chaos. Perhaps not! There's always the Law of Unintended Consequences, Sod's Law to you and I, to take account of.

[Catweazle]

Nobody, either here or politicians, seems to be proposing actual solutions to the problem. You know, stopping (most of) them wanting to come here in the first place.

Does anyone at all have even the remotest solution to this?

Invade Eritrea and depose the nutters in charge. Put them on trial like Pol Pot.

Bomb the life out of IS and then do the same to the Syrian forces.

Then send all the migrants home to their newly pacified countries after removing all the Kalashnikovs and wait a few years for the next lot of rulers to kick off with repression and theiving.

We did the same thing in Iraq and Libya and people are afraid that the same chaos will happen again in two new countries. Perhaps we could do it slightly differently this time and avoid the post war chaos. Perhaps not! There's always the Law of Unintended Consequences, Sod's Law to you and I, to take account of.

If there is one lesson we should have learned it's that even though people might hate their own government, they REALLY hate being invaded and having a government imposed upon them by 'infidels'.

[johnhemming2]

If there is one lesson we should have learned it's that even though people might hate their own government, they REALLY hate being invaded and having a government imposed upon them by 'infidels'.

This is a very important point. Although there is a window of opportunity for the invaders to withdraw very soon the big issue becomes the occupation - however much the infrastructure is improved.