General Election May 2015

What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

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Little John wrote:England is a country of mean-minded, short-termist, moronic ***** and I've had enough of it
Why can't people just say what they think?

I mean no point pussy-footing about - talking round what you mean and being polite about it?

Call a spade a spade, that's what I say!

For goodness sake LJ, just come out and tell it the way it is.

I am surprised you hold back so much......

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PS I wonder is there any country you could live in?

I live in N Ireland and once started to talk about politics in a pub and the whole place went suddenly completely silent - so don't come here! :shock: :wink:

There was no Green candidate in my constituency, so my partner suggested I stand - I must be going mental as I am actually giving it some thought. I feel we need a radical change to politics if we are going to save the planet from ourselves..... :cry:
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I lived through the Wilson/Callaghan years and the Blair/Brown ones and after each of those sessions the country was broke. That says something to me although I am not entirely happy with the way things are going now.

All the main parties are owned by the corporations so even if Labour had got in on their left of centre agenda it would not have been implemented because their corporate lobbyists and the billionaire press barons would not have allowed them to implement it.
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Callahan was kicked out just before the north sea ramped up. Brown was kicked out after it had declined to net importer status and oil was over $100.

Not that I have much time for Blair.....
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cubes wrote:I hate people who just can't get their heads around results, labour LOST, whatever the reason.
And yet got both more votes and an increased share of the votes than last time... maybe there's something duff about the system? Something worth kicking up a fuss about?
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I asked on another forum, why did you vote Conservative?

The biggest reason was selfishness.

"I'll pay less tax, or I'll get help with buying a house".

They don't give a shit about having a more equal society as long as they're ok.

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They're not called the Nasty Party for nothing.
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frank_begbie wrote:I asked on another forum, why did you vote Conservative?

The biggest reason was selfishness.

"I'll pay less tax, or I'll get help with buying a house".

They don't give a shit about having a more equal society as long as they're ok.

:cry:
They will also be badly disappointed of they can't afford to get on the housing ladder and think that a tory government will, overall, make that any easier for them. The only people who will benefit are those who are already rich enough to own at least one house.
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kenneal - lagger wrote:I lived through the Wilson/Callaghan years and the Blair/Brown ones and after each of those sessions the country was broke.
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Also, Heath left the country in a far worse state than the Labour administration he took over from. Not to mention the fact that the only reason Thatcher presided over unprecedented "growth" is largely due to the Tories selling off all of the family silver to the city and deregulating the financial system. And we all know how well that's gone don't we.

Funny how history get re-written isn't it.
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I kept my ears out for any slight notion of the issues that dominate this forum from any of the politicos during the uk election champagne and heard zilch, including the green party who now seem to be post modernist on both energy and the environment.

I believe Cameroon has actually been put in a very sticky wicket situation by the electorate and is actually far far worse off now than before the election because:-

He is now in a John Major majority situation.

Because of the Libdemexit he is now beholden to the swivel eyed loony right ring anti europe backwoods men in his own party.

If they mess with him he is faced with the even less savoury prospect of seeking comfort in the arms of the even more right wing swivel eyed loony Democratic Unionist Party.

One half of me says he and Peter Robinson really deserve each other, the other actually almost feels sorry for him.........
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Potemkin Villager wrote:including the green party who now seem to be post modernist on both energy and the environment.
I'm intrigued to learn what you mean by that?
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Post by Catweazle »

I like that phrase "swivel eyed", it describes a certain type of person perfectly.

Has anyone else noticed David Miliband making a decidedly Blairish opening game ?

Perhaps I'm reading him wrong, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Mandelson and David Miliband having a cosy chat this year.

EDITED: I knew Miliband had one L, but it just didn't look right.
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Catweazle wrote: Has anyone else noticed David Miliband making a decidedly Blairish opening game ?
Well I noticed he has re-appeared, and made a Blairish statement about policy. But he's not an MP, so he can't be elected leader, unless the Labour party changes its internal rules.
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Potemkin Villager wrote:
I believe Cameroon has actually been put in a very sticky wicket situation by the electorate and is actually far far worse off now than before the election because:-

He is now in a John Major majority situation.

Because of the Libdemexit he is now beholden to the swivel eyed loony right ring anti europe backwoods men in his own party.

If they mess with him he is faced with the even less savoury prospect of seeking comfort in the arms of the even more right wing swivel eyed loony Democratic Unionist Party.
Yes, he's in John Major's situation of starting with a small majority which will inevitably get smaller, and therefore at the mercy of right-wingers in his own party.

I don't agree that he's in a worse position that before the election, but it is certainly a position with plenty of potential to go horribly wrong, for a whole host of different reasons.

As far as the Europe issue goes - he's already committed to a referendum, so I'm not sure what the problem is, particularly as I'm expecting the referendum result to be "out". If it turns out to be an "in" then they, and UKIP, surely have to just accept they've lost. There will not be a second referendum in the forseeable future.

IMO the issue which has the single most explosive potential is actually the repeal of the ban on fox hunting. It is totemic of the cultural and moral divide between the tories and the rest of the population, and the idea of re-legalising something that should have been consigned to history - and something which was always also about class and about the land-owning class demonstrating that this is their country and they'll do what they like with it, regardless of what the majority of people think...?

I can see that being the issue that turns an ugly situation in this country into something involving serious violence. People are going to get killed.

Also...if they re-legalise fox-hunting, what happens when a non-tory government next gets elected? Presumably they'll ban it again, and this time make sure they also completely dismantle the infrastructure that allowed it to be resurrected (e.g. make it illegal to keep packs of hounds too). And then does a future tory government re-legalise it? Seems to me this is the very definition of "progressive". Can the tories continually drag us back to the dark ages, or are even they realistic enough to realise that riding around the countryside on horseback hunting foxes with a pack of dogs has no place in 21st century Europe?
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Post by Potemkin Villager »

Catweazle wrote:I like that phrase "swivel eyed", it describes a certain type of person perfectly......
Cat, ye and myself seem to have met similar folk down the years.

As regards the green party I do believe they are doing as I speak, like wot
Labour did when it got "new" ( and "electable") under the blessed Tony.

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