Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 16 Jan 2015, 09:22

In medieval times every farm brewed it's own beer. It was safer to drink than water, and the brewing killed most disease vectors. Labourers were paid partly in beer.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 05 Mar 2015, 17:10

S_Y would appreciate this article from Derrick Jensen.

Q: What do you call someone who puts poison in the subways of Tokyo?
A: A terrorist.

Q: What do you call someone who puts poison (cyanide) into groundwater?
A: A capitalist: CEO of a gold mining corporation.

The article is about our collective insanity.

They all take empire as a given. They all take overshoot as a given. All of this is literally insane, in terms of being out of touch with physical reality. The real world must always be more important than our social system, in part because without a real world you can’t have any social system whatsoever. It’s embarrassing to have to write this.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 07 Mar 2015, 22:33

sushil_yadav wrote:Happy New Year to everyone.........Forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere destroyed........Millions of species tortured, slaughtered and decimated.........The planet littered with billions of tonnes of plastic waste, chemical waste, gaseous waste and ewaste.........Happy New Year.

When we say happy new year, do we realize how happy the new years have been for nature after industrialization?..........Hundred years of industrial activity has destroyed what was created by nature in millions of years..........Happy New Year.

Destroy the planet whole year and then party on new year eve to welcome another year.........Repeat this year after year........Unlimited celebration and unrestrained hedonism is a consequence of industrialization and urbanization.

Years have been changing on earth for millions of years but the change in year was not associated with decadence, depravity, entertainment and pleasure chasing ..........This madness has existed for just 50 - 100 years.

For thousands of years before industrialization, new year was welcomed with prayer and worship not with decadence and depravity.

Industrial man is engaged in two main activities........Destruction and Celebration.

Agrarian society did not have Entertainment Industry, Music Industry, Film Industry, Tourism Industry, Fashion Industry, Restaurant and Food Industry, Alcohol and Drugs Industry..

Agrarian society did not have millions of pubs, bars, discos and parties.

Agrarian society did not produce millions of tonnes of alcohol.

Agrarian society did not produce thousands of tonnes of synthetic/ designer drugs.

Agrarian society did not have millions of prostitutes/ sex workers.

In agrarian society more than 99% of population was producing food.........All crazy activities happen when society does not produce food.........In industrial society 50% of world population is not producing food........That is why there is so much hedonism, decadence, depravity and pleasure chasing in industrial society.

The planet is dying and gasping for last breath but pleasure seeking hedonists don't even seem to notice because they are being continuously drugged by Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Music Industry, Film Industry, Tourism Industry, Fashion Industry, Restaurant and Food Industry, Alcohol and Drugs Industry.

Industrial society is destroying environment every moment and celebrating every moment of destruction.

Work Hard.....Play Hard.
Destroy Hard.....Enjoy Hard.
.
.
.
The entire urban population of industrial society is criminal.
The reason it is not in jail is because the system is being run by urban population.

Man lived in hunter_gatherer society for one million years........Man lived in agrarian society for 10,000 years........Man has lived in industrial society for just about 100 years during which he has destroyed the entire planet.

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Sushil can you please talk complete sense? And please not talk this kind of bibble babble?

Or if you do, can you please vote for the right party??

Thank You

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 07 Mar 2015, 22:57

I'm assuming Sushil lives in the UK by the way. If he/she doesn't then I take the 'voting the right party' bit back

sushil_yadav · Post by **sushil_yadav** » 12 Mar 2015, 05:34

The craziest thing about industrial society is that there are millions of problems in industrial society but people take up one problem at a time, debate on it for a few days and then pick up another problem for more debate.

What is the point of taking up one problem at a time when there are millions of problems???

What is debate going to do???........Debate itself is a problem of industrialization.........Endless debate on endless topics is a disease and insanity of industrial society that invented the Printing Press, Radio, Television and Internet.

Billions of pages of debate is another toxic waste of industrial society which has also produced billions of tonnes of Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste and Ewaste.

How many problems have been solved by debate???
How many issues have been resolved by debate???

All problems of industrial society have either been created by industrialization or they have been worsened by industrialization..........All problems of industrial society are unsolvable because industrialization itself is the cause of problems.

Problems of industrial society can go away only when industrial society goes away.
.
.

Industrial man is trying to solve global problems when he cannot even solve family problems and personal problems.

Industrial man is trying to keep the whole world in control when he cannot even control his own weight and mind.........Half of the world population has grown obese and needs prescription drugs, illegal drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, coffee and other chemicals to keep its mind in control.

Industrial society is trying to make international agreements work when even marriage agreements are not working.

Industrial society is trying to run a global village by integrating all countries of the world when even families are falling apart in industrial society.

Smaller the system the more sustainable it is.
Larger the system the more unsustainable it is.

It is height of insanity to even think of running an industrialized and globalized society.

Hunter-Gatherer society sustained for 1 million years.

Agrarian society sustained for 10,000 years (And would have sustained forever if it had not been replaced by industrial society).

Industrial society is collapsing after just about 100 years.
.
.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.

Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.
Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.
Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.
Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.
Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
..

the_lyniezian · Post by **the_lyniezian** » 18 Mar 2015, 01:51

Billions of pages of endless rant is not going to solve anything either Sushil. At least debate one gets to learn opposing points of view and modify one's ideas in the light of that knowledge, learning what arguments work and what doesn't. What you are doing however is recycling the same old thing time after time after time, however profound it might be. Were it not for the industrial society producing your computer you would not be able to do this so constantly. Indeed you churn it out on an almost industrial level.

As for endless debate I am pretty sure that predates industrial society by some time. Perhaps it was more limited in scope to a small class of scholars and philosophers but still...

EDIT: Hmmm... there are a few new things here on second thought. Thing is, you berate society for only tackling one problem at a time and that we are trying too hard to solve big problems when we can't even solve the small ones. Yet once upon a time you posted a parable in which people were engaged in small arguments whilst avoiding the really pressing big problem. This seems to be self-contradictory.

Everything else still seems to go back to points you have made before- industrial society is bad, pre-industrial society was better, debate is useless etc. etc.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 18 Mar 2015, 10:19

But s/he's right.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 18 Mar 2015, 11:06

sushil_yadav wrote:The craziest thing about industrial society is that there are millions of problems in industrial society but people take up one problem at a time, debate on it for a few days and then pick up another problem for more debate.

.

Stop right there. There are not millions of problems. Perhaps millions of individuals with the same problem but not millions of individual problems.
Food, water , shelter, defense, law and order, religion, racism, ignorance, population, political corruption, addictive drugs, alcohol abuse, healthcare costs, taxes, bureaucratic incompetence, and your Mother in law coming to visit just about covers it.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 18 Mar 2015, 11:53

Oh, and:
Climate change
Animal abuse
Corporatism
Species depletion
Austerity
Paedophilia
Pollution
Inequality
Cancer
Heart disease
Obesity
Demonisation of unions
GMOs
Pesticides
Road deaths

Not millions, no. Just far too many.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 18 Mar 2015, 12:33

emordnilap wrote:Oh, and:
Climate change
Animal abuse
Corporatism
Species depletion
Austerity
Paedophilia
Pollution
Inequality
Cancer
Heart disease
Obesity
Demonisation of unions
GMOs
Pesticides
Road deaths

Not millions, no. Just far too many.

A good list but some of them I'd call included in some of mine. Smiler to George Carlin getting the ten commandments down to two.

I'd put climate change as a factor in Food ,water and shelter as it makes those problems more difficult to solve. (+6 deg. F here this morning with a razor sharp wind so looking forward to a little global warming.)
Animal abuse I'd put under law and order along with pedophilia. Corporatism under political corruption with anti union efforts.
Species depletion, pollution and pesticide use, under over population.
Stick inequality between religion and political corruption. GMOs between over population and food.
Cancer , heart disease, and obesity all fall under healthcare costs but derive from the food and addiction problems.
So that leaves road deaths and is that really a problem except on the individuals basis. Your early demise in an auto crash helps out in the over population problem and helping you avoid this untimely death will let you burn more fossil fuel in your lifetime adding to all these other problems.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 18 Mar 2015, 13:24

Moving wonderfully off topic, but has anyone else noticed the inverse correlation between road deaths and fuel prices?

I haven't plotted the numbers, but I am reasonably certain that rising fuel prices makes drivers try to drive more efficiently and as a side effect more slowly and therefore less dangerously. With falling fuel prices deaths are once again rising

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 19 Mar 2015, 10:46

PS_RalphW wrote:Moving wonderfully off topic, but has anyone else noticed the inverse correlation between road deaths and fuel prices?

I haven't plotted the numbers, but I am reasonably certain that rising fuel prices makes drivers try to drive more efficiently and as a side effect more slowly and therefore less dangerously. With falling fuel prices deaths are once again rising

It would be hard to sort out cause and effect there. On a per 1000 miles driven basis death rates have been generally falling sense the sixties due to a combination of increasingly safer cars (air bags and such) and safety features installed on the highways such as crash survivable guardrails and removal of unguarded fixed objects. The advent of texting while driving and other distracted driving habits has recently skewed the figures.
In the USA annual deaths have fallen from 50,000 per year to around 40,000 per year over a period where annual miles driven has doubled.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 19 Mar 2015, 11:01

PS_RalphW wrote:Moving wonderfully off topic, but has anyone else noticed the inverse correlation between road deaths and fuel prices?

I haven't plotted the numbers, but I am reasonably certain that rising fuel prices makes drivers try to drive more efficiently and as a side effect more slowly and therefore less dangerously. With falling fuel prices deaths are once again rising

During Ireland's 'celtic tiger' years there was the Darwinian phenomenon of young people killing themselves almost daily with their cheap souped-up Honda Civics. Those that didn't have emigrated; nothing to do with cheap or dear fuel, I think.

One guy I knew wrote off three cars bought for him by his father. The third one was the killer.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 20 Mar 2015, 15:40

Can't believe this thread has gone on for so long. Is Sushil a 'bot?

I can't add to this list of maladies.

End of the day, you can argue that agriculture / mono-cropping was the beginning of the end of the environment as we know it. Modern industry just sped it all up.

sushil_yadav · Post by **sushil_yadav** » 21 Mar 2015, 05:13

AutomaticEarth wrote: End of the day, you can argue that agriculture / mono-cropping was the beginning of the end of the environment as we know it. Modern industry just sped it all up.

Agrarian society existed for 10,000 years...........Agrarian society would have sustained forever if it had not been replaced by industrial society..........There is no way agrarian society could have destroyed the planet like industrial society has done in just about 100 years.

Environmental collapse happens when all three ecosystems are destroyed........Forests, oceans and atmosphere........Industrial society has destroyed all tree.

Agrarian society did not destroy the oceans.

Agrarian society did not destroy the atmosphere.

Agrarian society only destroyed some forests for agriculture (Industrial society has destroyed forests for agriculture plus industry).

If man had continued staying in agrarian society the population would be less than 2 billion today instead of over 7 billion..........Agrarian society would have been able to feed this population and in case of food shortage only the excess population would have died not total human population.

If man had stayed in agrarian stage the planet would have been in very good condition today........Billions of tonnes of plastic waste, chemical waste, gaseous waste and e-waste would not have existed.......Forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere would have been in good condition.........Millions of land and water based species would be thriving with very healthy populations.
.