The rise of the far right

[3rdRock]

Actually I think the figures are worse than that http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/site ... n_ch11.pdf

its actually 53% of muslim men and 76% of muslim women with some ethnic sub groups with much higher unemployment .

They also claim a disproportion of sickness benefit

That's probably a result of their religious beliefs, it's another example of how Islam doesn't recognise, or work in, the modern world.

If, by "religious beliefs", you are suggesting the cultural practice of the women spending the bulk of their time bringing up the kids somehow does not fit with the "modern world", then I am bound to reply that I agree with those cultural practices and it's the "modern world" that needs to fit with how the vast majority of humanity operates. including how the indigenous Anglo Saxon culture operated until very recently, I should add. For reasons of sexual equality there is, of course, no good reason why this should necessarily be a woman, Though I am also bound to suggest that the different inherent psychologies of men and women are such that I do believe women are better primary caregivers of very young children and so, given a choice, most men are more than happy for women to fulfil that role and most women are happy to accept it.

That notwithstanding, a world where both parents are economically required to be absent for the majority of the time from their young children's lives due to both of them having to work full time simply make ends meet is a ****** up world that needs to change.

+1. A return to some of our older, more tried and trusted values might also reduce the number of 'feral' children currently roaming the streets.

[mr brightside]

If, by "religious beliefs", you are suggesting the cultural practice of the women spending the bulk of their time bringing up the kids somehow does not fit with the "modern world", then I am bound to reply that I agree with those cultural practices and it's the "modern world" that needs to fit with how the vast majority of humanity operates. including how the indigenous Anglo Saxon culture operated until very recently, I should add. For reasons of sexual equality there is, of course, no good reason why this should necessarily be a woman, Though I am also bound to suggest that the different inherent psychologies of men and women are such that I do believe women are better primary caregivers of very young children and so, given a choice, most men are more than happy for women to fulfil that role and most women are happy to accept it.

That notwithstanding, a world where both parents are economically required to be absent for the majority of the time from their young children's lives due to both of them having to work full time simply make ends meet is a ****** up world that needs to change.

I was going to expand on my comment but didn't bother in the end! It's not the amount of time that women spend bringing up kids, so much as the ideology of the religion discouraging birth regulation that i'm referring to. As far as i'm aware the traditional Muslim household is one where the wife is responsible for providing children and looking after them; i'm also aware that stricter guidelines advise the husband to assault the wife if procreation is refused. Muslim families tend to be quite large in terms of children, and i couldn't see the wife having any time to take up employment outside of her obligations to care for the kids and run the household. A family not bound by a religious obligation to procreate regardless of the capacity for supporting offspring, may well find it possible for both parents to be in work. Like you alluded to in your last comment though, both parents working is not always enough to make ends meet depending upon how many kids you have.

I recently watched a short half hour documentary on this issue, and both the families featured had 3 children with both parents working. Now i don't have any children or a Mrs B, but there must be a number of dependants that can be supported by 2 working parents i'd be inclined to think...and i suspect it's around 1.5, so one child then. I'm not trying to encroach on people's right to have more than one child, but in some cases the books don't balance and they do it anyway and blame TPTB for not supporting offspring coming after the point of 'balance'. I'm back at work next week, so any family men/women wanting to tear me a new one over any part of that might not recieve a response

[RenewableCandy]

Before the industrial revolution, and in almost every society bar ours, neither parent "went out" to work, and both worked. The home was the business: farm, workshop, emporium, inn, sick-bay, school or whatever. The word "husband" is from Anglo-saxon meaning "of the house". Same meaning, in fact, as "housewife".

So, anyone who genuinely wants to get back to "traditional values" should be aiming for this.

[Little John]

Before the industrial revolution, and in almost every society bar ours, neither parent "went out" to work, and both worked. The home was the business: farm, workshop, emporium, inn, sick-bay, school or whatever. The word "husband" is from Anglo-saxon meaning "of the house". Same meaning, in fact, as "housewife".

So, anyone who genuinely wants to get back to "traditional values" should be aiming for this.

Yes, agreed, It's not really the fact of both parents working that is the problem, it's the fact of both parents being absent.

[kenneal - lagger]

To be fair at least one country, the Philippines, purportedly trains a higher number of nurses than it needs in the expectation that remittances to the Philippines from the country in which they work over the long term will exceed the training costs.

If this is true it kicks the rug out from underneath the pro-imigrationists because those immigrants are not then contributing to our economy. They are bleeding it dry just as much as the 1% are bleeding us dry by taking money out of the general economy and putting it into the financial closed loop.

I also agree with Steve (I'll say that again, "I also agree with Steve" ) that we should aim to get back to the times when it was possible for one parent to spend all or at least part of their time at home with the children. The current system has been forced on us by high house prices and rents in order to grow the f***ing economy!!

I also agree that Moslem women should not be pilloried for staying at home to look after the children as long as they are not claiming to be unemployed while they are at it. It is also proven that first generation immigrants are likely to have a lot more than one child but subsequent generations are more likely to trend towards the national average eventually merging with it as they join in the local culture.

[biffvernon]

Before the industrial revolution, and in almost every society bar ours, neither parent "went out" to work, and both worked. The home was the business: farm, workshop, emporium, inn, sick-bay, school or whatever. The word "husband" is from Anglo-saxon meaning "of the house". Same meaning, in fact, as "housewife".

So, anyone who genuinely wants to get back to "traditional values" should be aiming for this.

If there's any truth in the stereotype (and I think there is) then we should look to Africa, out of which we came, where it's the women that do most of the hard work.

[jonny2mad]

Well now is the time to use some logic to see if what you think is correct

Now first you said well we need mass immigration to help the economy
I gave you data that the majority of Muslims nearly 70% of both sexes are on the dole now does that or does that not help the British economy.

Does having a leech or a tick sucking your blood make you healthier?

Now you seem To a degree to have dropped or sidetracked well they help the economy, and now you’re saying well they stay on the dole to help their children they are just good parents, well you should be able to measure that by looking at what children they turn out .

Are they less criminal are they healthier that sort of thing

Well wiki leaks said Muslims were also found to have the highest disability rates - with 24 per cent of men and 21 per cent of women claiming a disability - while the cable also cited statistics claiming Muslims were also the most likely group to be unavailable for work or not actively seeking employment due to illness, their studies or family commitments.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3GUKy6UDa

They make up 4.7 per cent of the population in England and Wales, according to the most recent Census, yet one in seven prisoners (14 per cent) in England and Wales is a Muslim, according to the statistics. with 27% of prisoners in london muslim
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 22237.html
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3913/ ... population prisons being taken over by Muslims and being used as a recruiting ground .

How about loyalty do Muslims bring up loyal children well you have more British Muslims fighting against this country than you do for it; there are more British jihadist than all the Muslims in uk armed forces. Now think about that the job prospects the army or RAF is solid work they pay you, where as being a jihadist you have to get the money to go abroad it takes more effort, you’re more likely to end up dead or in jail and yet more of them fight against the uk than for it.
You have more British jihadists than all the members of the British international brigades that fought fascism , far more than the far right people who fought for the Nazis who you could count on a couple of hands

Anyway overall I don’t see what good the traitors have done for this country and when I say traitors I mean the open borders multiculturalists , sooner or later three things will happen either the uk will Islamise, or we will have a civil war and genocide or the country could just break up and we lose territory .

From a white British non Muslim point of view please explain to me why any of that’s to my benefit .
but instead of hanging their heads in shame they wish to make their treachery worse, they still fight to speed up the destruction of this country, even after Rotherham you have threads like this

[Catweazle]

Jonny, two of your links are about Moslems in prison, the obvious question to ask is 'were they Moslem when they went to prison ? or did they convert inside ' .

The answer to that could put a different slant on things.

[3rdRock]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 41656.html

Germany anti-Islam protests: 17,000 march on Dresden against 'Islamification of the West'

More than 17,000 people have marched on the German city of Dresden protesting the “Islamification of Europe” as a wave of xenophobia sweeps the country.

Supports of Pegida – a growing group calling itself the “Patriotic Europeans against the Islamification of the West” – filled the city’s historic square singing Christmas carols and waving German flags on Monday.

Its leaders have been dismissed as “Nazis in pinstripes” and the group’s rise has coincided with arson attacks on refugee hostels and the daubing of swastikas on city walls, but the controversy has not dissuaded supporters.

Dismissal is not the answer. We ignore these xenophobic cockroaches at our own peril.

[jonny2mad]

The poor cockroaches are the victims, people go on about the rights of migrants, but what about the rights of the native inhabitants who just want to be left alone, and don't want to have their homes destroyed .

And for 70 years you have stomped on the poor little cockroaches, and then when brevik comes or something like the third reich arises your surprised .

[jonny2mad]

and good for the germans 17,000 people standing up against invasion if you want to live in saudi leave go there, don't inflict it on europe if you do push islam on europe don't be surprised if things turn nasty

[3rdRock]

I wondered how long it would take for you to drop by.

[jonny2mad]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -live.html

12 killed after the french dare to draw a cartoon . our media is so cowardly and pro muslim they failed to publish the last time.

They have failed to uncover the cover up by the police and govt of the rape of 10's of thousands of british children by jihadists.

Nice the germans are starting to protest

[fuzzy]

I work with a devout Muslim along with about 20 people. He is as nice as anyone can be to work with. He does however, manage 10 minutes of praying just before lunch - in a place where the business owners are something out of the dark ages, and would bollock anyone else for clockwatching etc. I don't mind - it just makes me laff.

[adam2]

Jonny, two of your links are about Moslems in prison, the obvious question to ask is 'were they Moslem when they went to prison ? or did they convert inside ' .

The answer to that could put a different slant on things.

In some cases they convert inside since Muslim prisoners receive better treatment than non Muslims.
As an example, when for religious reasons, Muslims must not eat before sunset, the prison kitchen is shut by then. A take away Indian meal is then provided, a privilege not offered to the other prisoners.

And yes I DO know this ! a member of my family served time at HMP Highpoint in Suffolk and saw this first hand.

I would not extend special privilages to any religious group, if they don't want to eat until sundown I would simply offer a ham sandwich earlier in the day that can be eaten later in the day whenever religion permits.