If you want to know what kind of hell our world has become

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 16 Dec 2014, 12:07

Visit this site and find out just what the CIA has really been up to and how this latest report into CIA torture and rendition is merely the tip of an iceberg.

http://www.cageuk.org/

For an interview with the founder of the site, who was himself a detainee at Guantanamo, see below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sl7ojcIj8E

3rdRock · Post by **3rdRock** » 16 Dec 2014, 13:31

If you want to know what kind of hell our world has become ....

.... here's another indicator:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30491435

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 16 Dec 2014, 19:20

And of course in the wake of the tragedy in Australia, they're ramping up repressive laws (possibly one making police immune to prosecution). Of course they are! The Shock Doctrine writ large.

Murdoch's stranglehold over the media there means any deranged hostage taker is guaranteed screaming, almost glorifying, publicity. It's almost staged. It helps bring on the militarisation of society.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 17 Dec 2014, 07:50

Over 100 children dead in Taliban massacre in Pakistan school. This is not east v west, it is an evil meme that can only survive by destroying education and rational thought.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 17 Dec 2014, 10:16

I wonder who made the guns.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 17 Dec 2014, 12:31

I don't know for sure, but the production of AK47's is a huge cottage industry in that part of the world. They are crude by modern standards, but cheap to make from readily available materials using 3rd world toolshops, and the end result is easy to maintain, and repair, and is reliable. The ammunition is also widely available from many sources.

Kalashnikov was very sad to see his design become the defacto insurgent weapon design.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 17 Dec 2014, 12:33

Most of the talibans weapons would be made locally out of scrap in cave and little towns in northern pakistan

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 17 Dec 2014, 14:22

Firstly, what was done was unspeakably monstrous.

What was equally monstrous was the targeted bombing and killing of Taliban fighter's families largely consisting of women and children, that has been conducted by the Pakistani forces over the last few months as part of their offensive against the Taliban. Whilst there is no excuse for the atrocities committed the other day, this is the reason given by the Taliban for them. Ask yourself the question, which is more monstrous, the anonymous killing of innocents from two miles up or the shooting of innocents from two feet away? There are monsters on all sides in this war.

Secondly, notwithstanding (and certainly not justifying) any of the above atrocities, do I really need to spell out to people on here the history of Western adventurism in that part of the world over the last century, leading to wholly inappropriately drawn borders that cut directly across organically evolved ethnic and religious divisions, in turn leading to the mess that we are now witnessing?

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 17 Dec 2014, 14:44

Well put Steve.

Vicious and inexcusable though the Peshawar massacre was, I stand back and wonder what part we played.

PS, not to be frivolous Steve, but could you fix the thread title please?

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 17 Dec 2014, 15:33

I see the Pakistan prime minister has reintroduced the death penalty. So that's a result for the bad guys.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 17 Dec 2014, 16:15

biffvernon wrote:I see the Pakistan prime minister has reintroduced the death penalty. So that's a result for the bad guys.

What do you expect him to do?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 17 Dec 2014, 16:17

emordnilap wrote:Well put Steve.

Vicious and inexcusable though the Peshawar massacre was, I stand back and wonder what part we played.

PS, not to be frivolous Steve, but could you fix the thread title please?

No problem E.

Fixed

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 17 Dec 2014, 16:25

stevecook172001 wrote:
biffvernon wrote:I see the Pakistan prime minister has reintroduced the death penalty. So that's a result for the bad guys.
What do you expect him to do?

I don't have expectations but I would hope that Pakistan would develop a similar approach to that agreed by all EU nations and consign capital punishment to history.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 17 Dec 2014, 16:56

biffvernon wrote:
stevecook172001 wrote:
biffvernon wrote:I see the Pakistan prime minister has reintroduced the death penalty. So that's a result for the bad guys.
What do you expect him to do?
I don't have expectations but I would hope that Pakistan would develop a similar approach to that agreed by all EU nations and consign capital punishment to history.

It's possible we have reached some high point of humanitarianism and empathy and now our masters wish to put a stop to it. This is the Shock Doctrine era, after all.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 17 Dec 2014, 17:11

As long as we have armys we have the death penalty, if you have armed police you have the death penalty .

A couple of days ago someone posted about some women who was posting jihadi material on facebook and giving advice to men how to get to syria she was jailed for 5 years, I said they should have hung her .

The reponse was thats barbaric your killing people for having ideas, well her ideas if you went and read what she posted was how the worst thing in the world was disbelief, and the highest form of stopping disbelief was physically stopping it by fighting the unbeliever till he either died was enslaved or believed .

And it was all about how a women could help with jihad by smuggling arms, collecting funds, encouraging men to go and fight, fighting herself having babys and bringing them up to fight .

5 years time she will be let out and can continue with the struggle if she was hung she would not be able to help jihad.

I very much doubt she would care if jihadis tortured captives, thats why long term I think they have a pretty good chance