Tarrel wrote:This person who was worried about the prospect of having to use new money was once part of the training team for decimalisation at Woolworths' flagship store on Oxford Street in 1971. Attitudes do change as people age.
Christ that's depressing. Sometimes I wonder whether it's only a lower limit there should be on voting age
I think there could be an analogy between rocks being magnetised and people being radicalised by certain things. Maybe as people grow older and become New Labour politicians, IT company executives &c they slowly lose their radicalism but hold on to certain selected markers which allow them to feel that isn't the case.
Going back to the immediate political fall-out, it could be that the Labour Party in Scotland is losing significant numbers of members. This could mean another dozen SNP members in 2015 and maybe even one or two "Independent Left" types . Even less chance of an overall majority at Westminster with UKIP eating into the Tory vote.
Give me a place to stand on and I will move the Earth.
kenneal - lagger wrote:Perhaps we should get rid of the MSPs and AMs or what ever they are called in Wales and Northern Ireland and have one set of MPs who sit in there own country parliament for three days and in Westminster for the "Federal" parliament for two. That would save money and as the real power lies in Brussels with the EU at the moment they should have plenty of time to sort out what they are left with.
That way each country could look after its own affairs and come together for the few supra national affairs that are not dealt with by the EU. England would get its own parliament and the whole nation could be run by whoever can cobble a majority. I can't see that happening because Labour would probably lose many of its Scottish seats to the SNP and they would lose control of England.
The one government that are doing well out of this are the EU bureaucrats who would like to demolish individual country governments by destroying national boundaries to enhance EU central government control. the talk of England being broken up into regions must be music to their ears. Once England is broken up into regions Trans Manche, the Borders other odds regions come a step closer.
'The vibrant and euphoric yes movement, which, during the debate, evolved from a small base to come within a whisker of a sensational victory, will be massively disappointed that they didn't manage to get it done.
They will have to cool their ardour a while longer, although anybody believing they'll stop now is indulging in wishful thinking. Why would they? The process and the subsequent debate, which they won handsomely, took support for independence from around 30% to 45% and heading north. It's now established as the compelling narrative of the post-devolution generation, while no dominates only in a declining constituency of elderly voters. Yes may have lost this battle, but the war is being won'
DAVID Cameron has agreed to let Edinburgh and London take turns running the country.
Under new rules the House of Commons will pass all powers to the Scottish Parliament on 2 January, 2015, after which the English will labour under the yoke of free universities and prescriptions for a full year, unless the money runs out.
The prime minister said: “It will be especially difficult for Southerners, who’ll have to adjust to the unprecedented humiliation of being ruled from hundreds of miles away by leaders who would never visit their nasty city.
“Meanwhile, residents of the North of England will experience less change, merely alternating between London and Edinburgh in their hatred for the out-of-touch elitists they didn’t vote for.”
Construction is already underway on a three-mile square floating city of lobbyists which will be anchored in the Thames or the Forth depending on who is in power.
DAVID Cameron has agreed to let Edinburgh and London take turns running the country.
Under new rules the House of Commons will pass all powers to the Scottish Parliament on 2 January, 2015, after which the English will labour under the yoke of free universities and prescriptions for a full year, unless the money runs out.
The prime minister said: “It will be especially difficult for Southerners, who’ll have to adjust to the unprecedented humiliation of being ruled from hundreds of miles away by leaders who would never visit their nasty city.
“Meanwhile, residents of the North of England will experience less change, merely alternating between London and Edinburgh in their hatred for the out-of-touch elitists they didn’t vote for.”
Construction is already underway on a three-mile square floating city of lobbyists which will be anchored in the Thames or the Forth depending on who is in power.
Never work as the lobbyist would know that if they were all afloat in one place at the same time some right thinking person would sink them like rats in a cage. Be tough on the staff members just doing their job but sacrifices have to be made.
1. I wonder if we need a "Constitution Watch" thread. The discussion is becoming broader than the Scotland issue, and is likely to remain topical for some time.
2. As this is the Powerswitch forum, it might be interesting to look at the future political shape of the UK through the lens of peak oil / peak resources. i.e. what political system / constitutional make-up would allow the citizens of the current UK to most effectively weather the turmoil that is coming?
UndercoverElephant wrote:
Old people are wise. 16-17 years olds are idealistic and gullible.
Come on UE. Old people are just as likely to be selfish and inflexible as they are anything else. if the baby boomer generation don't demonstrate that to you, I really don't know what will.
stevecook172001 wrote:Dead right Tarrel. Peak oil is underneath all of this
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Nicola Sturgeon I recall in 2004 when @theSNP reached a total of 10,000 members. Now, in 2014, we've added 10,000 in less than 3 days to take us to 35,000+
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Can we call the new thread "Constitutional Omnishambles"?
Give me a place to stand on and I will move the Earth.
According to the website ConservativeHome, the Tories have claimed there are now 134,000 Tory members, down from over 253,000 during the 2005 leadership contest.
The party had earlier this year refused to release the figures amid claims that the number may have fallen below 100,000.
Douglas Carswell, the Conservative MP, has previously warned that the party is “haemorrhaging" members because of David Cameron and his “remote clique” at Westminster.
Membership of both the Labour and Liberal Democrat parties has fallen in recent years.
However, with a membership of around 187,537, Labour’s numbers are much better than their Conservative rivals.
As a proportion of population, those are both well below the SNP's penetration.
UndercoverElephant wrote:
Old people are wise. 16-17 years olds are idealistic and gullible.
Come on UE. Old people are just as likely to be selfish and inflexible as they are anything else. if the baby boomer generation don't demonstrate that to you, I really don't know what will.
Old people are just as likely to be selfish and inflexible, yes.
But that massive spike in 16-17 year old yes voters is all about idealism and gullibility, IMO. They fell for a load of wishful thinking, and cynical lies. They were made all sorts of promises that the SNP could not possibly have kept. Now they are disappointed because they didn't get independence, and probably won't get what Westminster promised them either. Had they got independence, they'd still have ended up disappointed. It would just have taken longer for reality to sink in.
The older you get, the more you realise that politicians will say anything to win an election/referendum, and that you have to think very carefully about what they are saying. Look behind it. Can they really deliver on these promises? If it looks doubtful, then its probably a load of old bollocks.
