Scotland Watch

peaceful_life · Post by **peaceful_life** » 17 Sep 2014, 01:26

UndercoverElephant wrote:
peaceful_life wrote:
stevecook172001 wrote:UE, I've read every single one of your contributions to this thread and I am pretty confident judging from their tone, as much as if not more than their content, that currency issue or not, your vitriol towards the Scots seeking independence would be undiminished. Can we just establish if that confidence is misplaced or not please?
It's a philisophical position.
And you, peaceful life, don't have an argument to offer, so are reduced faux-compliment ad-homs.

It was there, *duine-foghainteach*, you just missed it.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 17 Sep 2014, 01:41

And the fog on the Tyne is all mine all mine, the fog on the Tyne is all mine.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 17 Sep 2014, 07:42

The south west where I live has much the same population as scotland and post peak I think we would be better off as a independent country.

If england breaks up into regions maybe with some independent citys we wont have to worry about a capital city that ethnically and culturally isnt much to do with us .

A caliphate of bradford wouldn't be our concern .

Worried about the drain the large population of london will make post peak, make london independent and just be concerned with the regions

Even without peak oil london will go the way of detroit, so please jettison it and move on .

I think this is generally the way the countrys going at some point the uk will split apart

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 17 Sep 2014, 09:33

jonny2mad wrote:The south west where I live has much the same population as scotland and post peak I think we would be better off as a independent country.

If england breaks up into regions maybe with some independent citys we wont have to worry about a capital city that ethnically and culturally isnt much to do with us .

A caliphate of bradford wouldn't be our concern .

Worried about the drain the large population of london will make post peak, make london independent and just be concerned with the regions

Even without peak oil london will go the way of detroit, so please jettison it and move on .

I think this is generally the way the countrys going at some point the uk will split apart

This has been my motivation for supporting Scottish independence right from the start. Part of the motivation for moving here was the prospect of Scotland becoming an independent country. (Although I won't move back, whatever the outcome on Friday).

As we begin energy descent, we will either choose to, or be forced to, re-localise. This is going to require communities (at the family, village, region and nation-state level) that are far more self-sufficient and resilient. Some regions will be better placed to cope with this transition than others. Some probably won't make it, as J2M suggests.

When descent begins in earnest, it is likely that TPTB will wish to cling to power and/or maintain some semblence of business as usual. This is likely to mean an ever more draconian form of government. In this case, I would rather be part of a smaller governed region than a larger one.

If Descent turns into a major world conflict for diminishing resources, then all bets are off anyway, and I doubt it matters whether one is part of a small nation state or a larger one. Nuclear fallout knows no boundaries.

As one contemplates one's remaining years within an increasingly stricken human civilisation, one has to decide where and in what circumstances one can continue to usefully contribute and live a meaningful life. On what square are you going to place the stake that represents your remaining years? I think Scotland as an independent country has a batter chance of making it than many other places.

That's why I'll be voting "Yes" tomorrow.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 17 Sep 2014, 10:03

http://www.cityam.com/1410520291/englis ... dependence

Clegg backs more decentralisation and the power of citys to tax, you can see this going forward no matter what scotland does

You have sense Tarrel moving to scotland

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 17 Sep 2014, 10:05

Mr. Fox wrote:Have you been tested recently?

Typical. No 'NOTAs'.

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 17 Sep 2014, 10:05

jonny2mad wrote:The south west where I live has much the same population as scotland and post peak I think we would be better off as a independent country.

If england breaks up into regions maybe with some independent citys we wont have to worry about a capital city that ethnically and culturally isnt much to do with us .

A caliphate of bradford wouldn't be our concern .

Worried about the drain the large population of london will make post peak, make london independent and just be concerned with the regions

Even without peak oil london will go the way of detroit, so please jettison it and move on .

I think this is generally the way the countrys going at some point the uk will split apart

Yes. I agree.

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 17 Sep 2014, 10:13

Mr. Fox wrote:Are you sure you're not a tory? Have you been tested recently?

Wow. I just got 0%! I have become more un-tory as I have "matured" in years, but I didn't realise I was THAT un-tory!

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 17 Sep 2014, 10:30

An opinion poll has been published, asking if people felt the referendum campaign had created divisions within Scotland. 50% said "Yes", 50% said "No".

Mr. Fox · Post by **Mr. Fox** » 17 Sep 2014, 10:57

^

Tarrel wrote:
Mr. Fox wrote:Are you sure you're not a tory? Have you been tested recently?
Wow. I just got 0%! I have become more un-tory as I have "matured" in years, but I didn't realise I was THAT un-tory!

You're one of the lucky ones, Tarrel.

This tragic affliction tends to come on in later life and get steadily more acute as time goes on. It can be very upsetting for families and friends to watch a loved one's mind deteriorate in such a way, leaving the sufferer unable to communicate except by regurgitating 'Daily Mail' headlines.

Please give generously.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 17 Sep 2014, 10:57

Tarrel wrote:An opinion poll has been published, asking if people felt the referendum campaign had created divisions within Scotland. 50% said "Yes", 50% said "No".

LOL

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 17 Sep 2014, 10:58

Moonbat again:

Perhaps the most arresting fact about the Scottish referendum is this: that there is no newspaper – local, regional or national, English or Scottish – that supports independence except the Sunday Herald . The Scots who will vote yes have been almost without representation in the media.

There is nothing unusual about this. Change in any direction, except further over the brink of market fundamentalism and planetary destruction, requires the defiance of almost the entire battery of salaried opinion. What distinguishes the independence campaign is that it has continued to prosper despite this assault.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ournalists

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 17 Sep 2014, 11:19

What distinguishes the independence campaign is that it has continued to prosper despite this assault.

But will it be enough, I wonder, against the juggernaut of the Establishment? Those getting carried away with optimism would do well to watch "A Very British Coup" from 1988.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/a-ve ... od#3204906

(Or read the novel of the same name, by Chris Mullin)

peaceful_life · Post by **peaceful_life** » 17 Sep 2014, 12:02

Tarrel wrote:
What distinguishes the independence campaign is that it has continued to prosper despite this assault.
But will it be enough, I wonder, against the juggernaut of the Establishment? Those getting carried away with optimism would do well to watch "A Very British Coup" from 1988.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/a-ve ... od#3204906

(Or read the novel of the same name, by Chris Mullin)

The thing is, even if the official polls are to be believed, it still means that 50% of folk have started asking, not just 'do we want independence'....but 'why'?....and thats a far deeper analytical process of scrutiny, couple with this with the blatant lies and distortion being thrown at 100% of the electorate, with at least 50% of them seeing it for what it truly is. Of course the privelaged will do what ever it takes to maintian the status quo, but that's now impossible, things have changed.

OrraLoon · Post by **OrraLoon** » 17 Sep 2014, 12:25

jonny2mad wrote:The south west where I live has much the same population as scotland and post peak I think we would be better off as a independent country.

If england breaks up into regions maybe with some independent citys we wont have to worry about a capital city that ethnically and culturally isnt much to do with us .

A caliphate of bradford wouldn't be our concern .

Worried about the drain the large population of london will make post peak, make london independent and just be concerned with the regions

Even without peak oil london will go the way of detroit, so please jettison it and move on .

I think this is generally the way the countrys going at some point the uk will split apart

Yeah, but the Kernows will want to break away. You need to push east and recapture your historic capital of Winchester.